JohnCangelosi Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 A week ago or so I asked the question to this forum on what our 2008 outfield looked like. Needless to say, the responses were ugly and all over the place. The most popular option was probably to resign Rowand at a "home discount" which I don't necessarily see him agreeing to, but you never know. We're not going to pay Ichiro or Torii Hunter dollars either... But even if we were able to land Rowand, who would be pricey and a questionable move based on his up and down past performances, what does the rest of our outfield look like? I don't think Sweeney is ready, he is probably a 2009 starter, and still somewhat of a question mark. So that leaves us with what for 2008???? If we're going to scrap 2008 and just make it a rebuilding season, then we don't bother resigning Dye/Pods/Erstad and the like. If we are going to attempt at making a run, I think we at least have to CONSIDER resigning JD or Pods, and let me give you the argument here. 1) Hawk revealed yesterday that JD's knee has been bothering him all year and now it's getting back to normal. We've been seeing a little better D out there in right (He no longer looks like a 3 legged dog out there to me) and he also has swung the bat a BIT better of late. 2) JD still probably has 3 good years in him 3) WHO ELSE are we going to get on the FA market that is worth a sh&t? Why not take a chance that JD can get back to 2005-6 form for a nice discount? Again, if we're going to rebuild in 2008 then we go with Sweeney/Owens/Anderson/FA Signing perhaps 4) Now, I am not necessarily a fan of signing Pods again seeing how injury prone he is but should we roll the dice for another discount??? It at least needs to be pondered for a few minutes. When healthy the guy really does make things happen. Yesterday's game is a good example. It might be worth the $ to give it one more shot with some type of contingency plan. Go ahead and tear into me here. But when you DO, I want to hear your opinion of what we should do keeping in mind that we have a BUDGET to play with and I am not interested in signing FA's like that bum Dave Roberts who was supposedly a top outfield FA last year!!!! I want to compete next year and I don't see how we do it with Sweeney/Owens/Anderson out there in the outfield (not to mention those bums Terrero and Gonzalez)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 If they finish the year out strong ( assuming neither gets traded) I would be all for bringing BOTH of them back. Of course I am in the minority here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 NO!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Spencer Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I'd rather suffer with Sweeney and Owens next year. And a big NO to bringing back Super Grinder too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(JohnCangelosi @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:18 PM) (He no longer looks like a 3 legged dog out there to me) Would you be referring to Cody from Life Aquatic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I'm in the minority, but I like Pods. But I'm tired of broken players. This includes: Crede, Erstad and Thome. I'm also tired of underachievers (which is everyone right now), but more specifically: Uribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I'd love to have Dye back. You could tell something was bothering him early on. I would like to sign a good CF too, but may be asking for too much with all of the holes. We would also need a SS and some bullpen help (I would put Richar in at 2B, Fields in LF, and Crede at 3rd). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 Why don't they just bring the whole team back? They seem to be pretty good. KW should be allowed to bring Pods back, provided that he's willing to resign the first time Pods gets hurt. How many times does a guy have to get hurt before you realize that is something that most likely will continue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:39 PM) I'd love to have Dye back. You could tell something was bothering him early on. I would like to sign a good CF too, but may be asking for too much with all of the holes. We would also need a SS and some bullpen help (I would put Richar in at 2B, Fields in LF, and Crede at 3rd). I would go with that too. I would LOVE to see Byrnes or Rowand in CF, in that order. But both will probably ask alot and neither are probably worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(striker62704 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 09:43 AM) I would go with that too. I would LOVE to see Byrnes or Rowand in CF, in that order. But both will probably ask alot and neither are probably worth it. It kind of looks like Owens will be in CF next year and will take over Pods spot as the speedy outfielder. I would rather have someone better out there, but would be fine with that (since Owens is cheap) as long as they sign a good SS and pick up some bullpen help somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 While I understand people like Dye and Pods and what they have brought to the Sox...Pods is waaaaay to injury prone. So, no to him. Dye is iffy. I don't think we should bring him back. But, if he's the best FA on the market...why not? If the Sox definitely won't pay a Hunter or even a Jones the money, which they probably won't, then why not. I'm still not sure about CF for next year, but I do believe that Fields will be in LF and my opinion is Sweeney will be in RF. I would love for the Sox to sign a Hunter or Andruw Jones for defensive purposes between those two, but it probably won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 Yes to Dye, hell no to Pods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(striker62704 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 07:38 AM) I'm in the minority, but I like Pods. But I'm tired of broken players. I'd be more than happy to have the '05 usually-healthy Pods. But those days appear to be over. Wouldn't mind having JD back for one year, but he's not going to accept arbitration when he can get a lot more on the FA market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:48 PM) It kind of looks like Owens will be in CF next year and will take over Pods spot as the speedy outfielder. I would rather have someone better out there, but would be fine with that (since Owens is cheap) as long as they sign a good SS and pick up some bullpen help somehow. I'm note to fond of the SS free agent market. I'm hoping someone will cough up a good SS that has a back log of them (Atlanta & LAA, to name a couple teams). LAA has Figgins, Avayar, Wood, Cabrera, Kendrick, Izturis and McPhereson all capable of playing 3B, SS or 2B. I'm sure someone will become available. Of course Avayar, Wood and Cabrera I think are actuals SSs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 (edited) I'd love to see Pods back, but I think it only happens under two conditions... 1) He has to stay healthy for the rest of the season, meaning not so much as a tweak. 2) He starts stealing bases like he had in 2005, or somewhere close to it. If he was a guy who would steal 12 or so bases per month when he was going good, I want him to steal another 15-20 this season, just to show he's still capable of stealing 40+. And he needs to have about a 75% success rate. Edited July 27, 2007 by AirScott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(AirScott @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 09:54 AM) I'd love to see Pods back, but I think it only happens under two conditions... 1) He has to stay healthy for the rest of the season, meaning not so much as a tweak. 2) He starts stealing bases like he had in 2005, or somewhere close to it. If he was a guy who would steal 12 or so bases per month when he was going good, I want him to steal another 15-20 this season, just to show he's still capable of stealing 40+. And he needs to have about a 75% success rate. I fully agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 All this Pods is the key to winning is a bunch of garbage... And no to Dye. He would be overpaid and there is that huge injury factor. Hopefully we can trade at the deadline for a couple of good pieces, and then in the offseason he will run along and sign w/ Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I would be in the Dye camp long before Pods. No more Pods. He has spent a lot of time on the DL. Like I mentioned in an earlier thread, I'm hoping Crede comes back strong enough to play his last year out, and stick Fields in LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted July 27, 2007 Author Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 09:43 AM) Why don't they just bring the whole team back? They seem to be pretty good. KW should be allowed to bring Pods back, provided that he's willing to resign the first time Pods gets hurt. How many times does a guy have to get hurt before you realize that is something that most likely will continue? Ehhhnnnnnnn. Buzzer rings. Offer up what you would do rather than just making a sarcastic comment- it would be nice to hear what other viable options are out there that you would deem worthy of pursuing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Lemon Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I would like to see Dye resigned to a three year deal if both sides can agree. I would pass on Pods due to his frequent stays on the DL. That leaves LF and CF open. We could have two viable in-house options in Sweeney and/or Fields (pending Crede's situation). Fields has given all indications he can play in MLB as a starter. Sweeney should not be given a starting job unless he earns it in camp. A major FA signing would probably be necessary to soldify the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dye will want too many years and money. And Podsednik? Oh, no no no no no. I've been saying Don't be surprised if they're back! for awhile. I've meant it more as a crack about the organization but it seems they're willing to live up to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted July 27, 2007 Author Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 10:06 AM) Dye will want too many years and money. And Podsednik? Oh, no no no no no. I've been saying Don't be surprised if they're back! for awhile. I've meant it more as a crack about the organization but it seems they're willing to live up to it. How much do you think he's going to ask for/get? After this year I don't see too many teams looking at him like they would have after 2006- you can tell that very fact by the lack of offers for him prior to the trade deadline... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I would say it ultimately depends on what they expect to make. If Dye and Pods are willing to take a pay cut, I would have no problem resigning both of them, because the savings could be used to shore up the bullpen and SS. Even with their down years (injury/performance), they are not the reason why the Sox are where they are this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 10:00 AM) I would be in the Dye camp long before Pods. No more Pods. He has spent a lot of time on the DL. Like I mentioned in an earlier thread, I'm hoping Crede comes back strong enough to play his last year out, and stick Fields in LF. The difference between Crede and Pods is while Pods seems to have various ailments (groin, hamstring, ribs), Crede has one problem (his back). But hey, it's not like back problems tend to be recurring or anything. Right, someone just spoke out against sarcasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 From what he's said, he wants a more long-term deal because it's his last big contract. Personally, I wouldn't give him more than two, and I don't think he'll be worth as much as he'll want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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