Richar

[greg775]

Good post Irish.

I'm from Mt. Greenwood as well.

Except for my 2B, did you like my quick fix of the team? How would you fix it for next year.

[RockRaines]

Richar is our ledoff man in 2008 unless I tell you otherwise

[DBAHO]

There's NO way Ichiro would have come here anyway... that's just plain ridiculous.

Well I don't know about that, obviously we would have needed to hang otno Iguchi and not re-sign Dye. But if Ichiro left as a FA, I think we would have been one of the favorites to sign him, because we had some favorable factors.

[Dick Allen]

Richar has an OBP of .300 right now. His batting average is .200. Obviously, both of these should go up a bit, but I don't know how his working a count makes him a lock to be an exceptional hitter. Mark Johnson used to work a count pretty well and they really should have DH'd for him and let the pitcher hit. Richar has made some nice plays defensively, but as the scouting reports suggest, has flubbed some easier ones. He is 1 for 3 in steal attempts. I still don't know what to make of him. He may be good, he may be DeAngelo Jimenez. If he's already earned a starting job on the 2008 White Sox based on his little trial run so far, this team will not be a championship contender. His OBP is .010 higher than Brian Anderson's last season, and we have people penciling him in to lead off. That's a little too optimistic at this point IMO.

Edited August 26, 2007 by Dick Allen

[kapkomet]

Well I don't know about that, obviously we would have needed to hang otno Iguchi and not re-sign Dye. But if Ichiro left as a FA, I think we would have been one of the favorites to sign him, because we had some favorable factors.

Like what? I just don't see it. There was no way that we were going to spring for that big of a contract... what am I missing?

[fathom]

Richar has an OBP of .300 right now. His batting average is .200. Obviously, both of these should go up a bit, but I don't know how his working a count makes him a lock to be an exceptional hitter. Mark Johnson used to work a count pretty well and they really should have DH'd for him and let the pitcher hit. Richar has made some nice plays defensively, but as the scouting reports suggest, has flubbed some easier ones. He is 1 for 3 in steal attempts. I still don't know what to make of him. He may be good, he may be DeAngelo Jimenez. If he's already earned a starting job on the 2008 White Sox based on his little trial run so far, this team will not be a championship contender. His OBP is .010 higher than Brian Anderson's last season, and we have people penciling him in to lead off. That's a little too optimistic at this point IMO.

 

Thank you....this might be the best post I've seen all season when it comes to evaluating a player.

Edited August 26, 2007 by fathom

[NorthSideSox72]

Richar has an OBP of .300 right now. His batting average is .200. Obviously, both of these should go up a bit, but I don't know how his working a count makes him a lock to be an exceptional hitter. Mark Johnson used to work a count pretty well and they really should have DH'd for him and let the pitcher hit. Richar has made some nice plays defensively, but as the scouting reports suggest, has flubbed some easier ones. He is 1 for 3 in steal attempts. I still don't know what to make of him. He may be good, he may be DeAngelo Jimenez. If he's already earned a starting job on the 2008 White Sox based on his little trial run so far, this team will not be a championship contender. His OBP is .010 higher than Brian Anderson's last season, and we have people penciling him in to lead off. That's a little too optimistic at this point IMO.

Good post. I actually do like Richar, and I think he might be pretty good, but your points are all very good.

 

Of course, the same sort of thing can be said of the weirdness of this board about Owens. He's had all of two months experience, and is already doing far better than Anderson was in his year... yet the majority of the board has already decided he sucks.

 

He might. He might not. But I think people come to judgement on some of these young players far too quickly, for better or worse. And once they've staked their opinion, there is no changing it.

 

[Rowand44]

Good post. I actually do like Richar, and I think he might be pretty good, but your points are all very good.

 

Of course, the same sort of thing can be said of the weirdness of this board about Owens. He's had all of two months experience, and is already doing far better than Anderson was in his year... yet the majority of the board has already decided he sucks.

 

He might. He might not. But I think people come to judgement on some of these young players far too quickly, for better or worse. And once they've staked their opinion, there is no changing it.

It's the talent factor. I don't see any possible way that Owens can become a big league hitter. I'll admit that he's a better defender than I expected but I just don't see any real chance of this guy sticking. With Anderson even when he sucked ass at the dish he always had tremendous defense to rely on, not to mention he at least had some power potential.

[NorthSideSox72]

It's the talent factor. I don't see any possible way that Owens can become a big league hitter. I'll admit that he's a better defender than I expected but I just don't see any real chance of this guy sticking. With Anderson even when he sucked ass at the dish he always had tremendous defense to rely on, not to mention he at least had some power potential.

Anderson had power potential, and he was a stellar defender in CF (especially for a rookie). And I had supported having him start this year over Erstad. I also think that Owens has the potential to be an MLB caliber starter. I realize that's not the popular opinion, but I think he has a good shot.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

It's the talent factor. I don't see any possible way that Owens can become a big league hitter. I'll admit that he's a better defender than I expected but I just don't see any real chance of this guy sticking. With Anderson even when he sucked ass at the dish he always had tremendous defense to rely on, not to mention he at least had some power potential.

Oh, and, I think people have different ideas of what "talent" means. Sometimes players are seen as having certain tools early in their development, so they are promoted and given expectations regardless of actual performance. It means that SOME of them end up being huge disappointments, because there are other tools that don't become clear until they are really challenged at a high level. In my opinion, that is where BA's problems came from - he was never expected to have to push hard enough and adjust his methods. No matter his talent level, I think his MLB experience showed he didn't have all the necessary tools to succeed. On the other hand, some other players manage to succeed at every level and are ignored, unless happenstance thrusts them to the big show. Example: Wassermann.