thedoctor Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 rosenthal i'd imagine this cranks up a little pressure on the mets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 You knew someone would get Salty. I wonder what the two prospects are. That is quite a haul for Teixera, who is a really good player, but that is a boatload to give up. Texas building for the future, smart deal for them, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 (edited) Smart deal for Atlanta, too. Wish we had horses at several positions so we could truly deal from a position of strength. Edited July 30, 2007 by Gregory Pratt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Depending on who those other two pitching prospects are, I think Atlanta gave up quite a bit. No doubt, Teixera is probably the games best defensive first baseman, a very good hitter, this certainly does fill a position of need for Atlana, and they didn't give up anyone playing any prominent role on the current Atlanta team. However, 4 players...2 of them at least highly thought of is a big package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 08:38 AM) Smart deal for Atlanta, too. I dunno, have people actually paid attention to Tex's numbers the last 2years? They're good, but they're not nearly where they were back in 05. He's only hit 13 home runs this year. His OPS was 950 in 05, dropped to 885 last year, and is @ 920 this year (with some minor injury issues). And that's while hitting in Texas, not in Turner Field. I really have been wondering whether or not he's really going to be the long term 40 hr guy people thought 2 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 It looks like Texas is taking Matt Harrison. Harrison is a terrific terrific prospect, but recently experienced some shoulder problems (tests reveal he is Ok, but I hate seeing AA players with shoulder issues). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 I really doubt they'll keep him long-term. Just a year and a half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 10:41 AM) Depending on who those other two pitching prospects are, I think Atlanta gave up quite a bit. No doubt, Teixera is probably the games best defensive first baseman, a very good hitter, this certainly does fill a position of need for Atlana, and they didn't give up anyone playing any prominent role on the current Atlanta team. However, 4 players...2 of them at least highly thought of is a big package. I think that this would preclude us from dealing with the Braves now, but definitely sets the market very high for top line talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 11:45 AM) I think that this would preclude us from dealing with the Braves now, but definitely sets the market very high for top line talent. I agree totally that the Braves are out of play for us...and now that the Braves have set the ball in motion maybe we will see some more reasonable offers for players we have on the blocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 09:45 AM) I think that this would preclude us from dealing with the Braves now, but definitely sets the market very high for top line talent. Only if the player is coveted. If Anaheim wasnt interested Atlanta wouldnt have given up as much as they did. and Elvis Andrus is one of the other prospects, so Texas is really getting a nice package here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 With Harrison included the Braves are giving up their top 3 prospects (per Baseball America), plus this other pitcher to be named. Nice haul for Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 ive always been a huge teixeira fan, but that is a ton to give up for 1.5 years of him...atlanta sure does love those local kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 11:33 AM) ive always been a huge teixeira fan, but that is a ton to give up for 1.5 years of him...atlanta sure does love those local kids teixeira is from Baltimore!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 This is a great deal for Texas. Catcher has been one of their biggest needs since Pudge left, and they have one now. They can use him at 1st if need be too. Andrus and Harrison included only makes it that much sweeter. Great haul for Texas...not sure what Atlanta was thinking. Teixeira isn't the guy he was a couple years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 11:39 AM) This is a great deal for Texas. Catcher has been one of their biggest needs since Pudge left, and they have one now. They can use him at 1st if need be too. Andrus and Harrison included only makes it that much sweeter. Great haul for Texas...not sure what Atlanta was thinking. Teixeira isn't the guy he was a couple years back. In his book, Schuerholz does a lot of talking about the Fred McGriff trade and the night Fulton County caught fire. He's looking to do the same this season. This isn't such a bad deal for Atlanta at all. Salty = second to McCann, with good reason. He was just a trade chip for them. They've filled their huge hole at first base. Sure, they gave up Elvis, who is phenomenal, but who knows how he'll end up. That's a crapshoot -- and besides, they've got Renteria and Escobar. With the pitchers, that's always a crapshoot, too, especially when any injuries are involved, but it's a trade off that's definitely worth it and it doesn't do terrible harm to their system because these guys were expendable, and Atlanta's farm is self-sustaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 11:38 AM) teixeira is from Baltimore!!! yeah but he played at GT.....i guess hes not necessarily local where hes from, but he was a star player at GT and most ATL baseball fans certainly knew who he was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 11:39 AM) This is a great deal for Texas. Catcher has been one of their biggest needs since Pudge left, and they have one now. They can use him at 1st if need be too. Andrus and Harrison included only makes it that much sweeter. Great haul for Texas...not sure what Atlanta was thinking. Teixeira isn't the guy he was a couple years back. Keep in mind he had a stint on the DL, which explains the 13 home runs. And who knows how long he was playing hurt before going on the DL. He's also a Gold Glove first baseman and still ranks 11th in the AL in OPS. This is a fairly low cost for Atlanta, especially since Saltalamacchia wasn't going to supplant McCann at catcher or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(AirScott @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 11:48 AM) Keep in mind he had a stint on the DL, which explains the 13 home runs. And who knows how long he was playing hurt before going on the DL. He's also a Gold Glove first baseman and still ranks 11th in the AL in OPS. This is a fairly low cost for Atlanta, especially since Saltalamacchia wasn't going to supplant McCann at catcher or anything. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(AirScott @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 09:48 AM) Keep in mind he had a stint on the DL, which explains the 13 home runs. And who knows how long he was playing hurt before going on the DL. He's also a Gold Glove first baseman and still ranks 11th in the AL in OPS. This is a fairly low cost for Atlanta, especially since Saltalamacchia wasn't going to supplant McCann at catcher or anything. He has those 13 home runs in 286 at bats. A normal season for him is about 600 at bats, so he'd be on a 26-27 home run/year pace. That's way down from where he was even just 2 years ago. And that's still while playing in Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 11:50 AM) He has those 13 home runs in 286 at bats. A normal season for him is about 600 at bats, so he'd be on a 26-27 home run/year pace. That's way down from where he was even just 2 years ago. And that's still while playing in Texas. But how long was he playing hurt? Trade rumors have been circulating around him for a bit, and it's hard to trade a guy who's on the DL, so he may have kept playing and hoping the pain would subside. I don't think there's any reason to think he won't be back to hitting 35+ home runs per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(AirScott @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 11:54 AM) But how long was he playing hurt? Trade rumors have been circulating around him for a bit, and it's hard to trade a guy who's on the DL, so he may have kept playing and hoping the pain would subside. I don't think there's any reason to think he won't be back to hitting 35+ home runs per year. You expect him to hit 22 home runs in 2 months? I just don't see it from him this season. Maybe next year, but think of the ballparks in that division... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 I wonder is KW was talking to Atlanta at all about Dye. This is just a ridiculously good deal for Texas. I've always though Teixeira was overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 04:42 PM) This isn't such a bad deal for Atlanta at all. Salty = second to McCann, with good reason. He was just a trade chip for them. They've filled their huge hole at first base. Sure, they gave up Elvis, who is phenomenal, but who knows how he'll end up. That's a crapshoot -- and besides, they've got Renteria and Escobar. With the pitchers, that's always a crapshoot, too, especially when any injuries are involved, but it's a trade off that's definitely worth it and it doesn't do terrible harm to their system because these guys were expendable, and Atlanta's farm is self-sustaining. Hah, this was predictable. JS is giving up six years of Salty -- a catcher who, if he wasn't behind McCann, could probably step in and be one of the top eight catchers in all of baseball -- along with some other good prospects for a year-and-a-half of Tiexera. Basically, if Atlanta doesn't win it this year, I can't see this being a very good trade for Atlanta... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 10:02 AM) I wonder is KW was talking to Atlanta at all about Dye. This is just a ridiculously good deal for Texas. I've always though Teixeira was overrated. Well, unfortunately, Dye doesn't seem to be nearly as good of a fit for Atlanta as Tex. Tex is there next year if Jones walks, so they still have that bat then, Tex plays 1b at a GG level, Dye is an OF, the Braves have some of the worst production in MLB out of their 1b slot, and the Braves have Francoeur, Harris, and Jones all producing well in the OF for them. I just don't see why that deal would make sense for the Braves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 10:02 AM) Hah, this was predictable. JS is giving up six years of Salty -- a catcher who, if he wasn't behind McCann, could probably step in and be one of the top eight catchers in all of baseball -- along with some other good prospects for a year-and-a-half of Tiexera. Basically, if Atlanta doesn't win it this year, I can't see this being a very good trade for Atlanta... What happens if the Braves manage to resign Tex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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