SoxFan1 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Garnett to Boston deal close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 If they have him for a only 1 year rental, Min will win the deal. I Like Jeffersons upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 QUOTE(rangercal @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 10:01 AM) If they have him for a only 1 year rental, Min will win the deal. I Like Jeffersons upside. Well, if Garnett approves this deal, presumably he will be doing so with an eye towards not opting out and giving this triple threat a few years to work out. At least thats' what I'd expect. If he opts out, I doubt he's going to get a contract worth as much money as the one he has now even with salary inflation, the whole reason for him to opt out was for him to try to go to a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 pax could have and should have put together and offered a better deal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Pearce, Allen, and Garnett could be the equivelant of Garnett, Spreewell, Cassell. Good team but too many guys who want the ball, not enough defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 QUOTE(Brian @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 10:03 PM) Pearce, Allen, and Garnett could be the equivelant of Garnett, Spreewell, Cassell. Good team but too many guys who want the ball, not enough defense. Garnett's never been one to demand the ball, so he won't be the problem. However, even if that were the best case scenario, that's at least a playoff team in the East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) Screamin A Smith just said that Boston is now easily in the top 3 of the EAST, maybe top two. Calling Eastern Conference finals and maybe NBA finals. I really dont see it, besides those guys, who does Boston have? Those three are pretty good, dont get me wrong, but Boston is getting rid of most of thier team to get Garnett, who else is going to be around? Edited July 31, 2007 by kyyle23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 10:18 PM) Screamin A Smith just said that Boston is now easily in the top 3 of the EAST, maybe top two. Calling Eastern Conference finals and maybe NBA finals. I really dont see it, besides those guys, who does Boston have? Those three are pretty good, dont get me wrong, but Boston is getting rid of most of thier team to get Garnett, who else is going to be around? I agree with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Adding KG to a team that already had Pierce/Allen automatically makes the Celtics a contender by eastern conference standards. All one has to do is look at last year's Cavs. Argubly the lousiest team to ever make the finals. The Celtics still need to add another player or two. I know they've still got the full MLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) I'm surprised no on called this. But does anyone think that Boston would get at least a small discount opposed to what other teams would have to offer? I mean, Mchale just might have a soft spot for the team he won championships with while playing with them his ENTIRE career that 13 lasted years. He's on what you call his last leg in minny, at this point it probably does not matter what he does. His faith is probably already determined. Edited July 31, 2007 by rangercal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I love this deal.... Another big man moves to the east. Minnesota gets some youth. My spurs will win again, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 01:59 PM) I love this deal.... Another big man moves to the east. Minnesota gets some youth. My spurs will win again, however. I don't know about that, Tim Donaghy won't be around to help the spurs in future game 3's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 07:09 PM) pax could have and should have put together and offered a better deal... No way. Forking that much out for Garnett was kind of ridiculous. If the Bulls were to do that yes we might win a Chamionship but it would ruin our depth alot for future years. A trade like that would really nullify what Paxson has done since he becamse the GM. QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 10:18 PM) Screamin A Smith just said that Boston is now easily in the top 3 of the EAST, maybe top two. Calling Eastern Conference finals and maybe NBA finals. I really dont see it, besides those guys, who does Boston have? Those three are pretty good, dont get me wrong, but Boston is getting rid of most of thier team to get Garnett, who else is going to be around? I dont see it either but how can you not like having a guy like Allen to drain threes on the arch, a go to the basket player in Pierce and post player in Garnett. Beyond Pierce, Allen and Garnett they are extremely young. Who do they got, Rondo, Perkins, Allan Ray, Glen 'Big Baby' Davis and Pruitt. If their big 3 play most of the game yeah Id put them at the top of the Eastern Conference but their depth and youth will kill them. They also could really use a solid defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 QUOTE(ChWRoCk2 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 04:21 PM) No way. Forking that much out for Garnett was kind of ridiculous. If the Bulls were to do that yes we might win a Chamionship but it would ruin our depth alot for future years. A trade like that would really nullify what Paxson has done since he becamse the GM. Winning a championship is the goal. And the celtics are giving up a whole lot of nothing, in truth. The only advantage I can see that the celtics had over other teams is mchale being a celtic great. Trading young talent does not nullify what paxson has done, particularly because Ben Wallace and his contract makes us a more win-now team, along with many of our young guys not being so young anymore. Trading some of our young talent for a go-to guy would have been a brilliant move, in my opinion, considering what it took to get KG, the talent and depth we have, and the east essentially being there for the taking. I commend pax for turning the franchise back around to where it should be, but I'm still wondering if he is the guy to take us to the ultimate step of winning another title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 31, 2007 Author Share Posted July 31, 2007 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 04:39 PM) And the celtics are giving up a whole lot of nothing, in truth. Jefferson and 2 1st rounders is a whole lot of something, especially considering Jefferson might have better numbers than Garnett this season. There are not enough shots to go around in Boston, and ESPN is hyping them up so damn much right now. Garnett, Allen, and Pierce aren't necessarily young either. Allen is 32 and missed 27 games last year, Pierce will turn 30 this season, and Garnett is 31 with 12 years in the league already. Rondo is more of a scorer/slasher then a distributer, and Perkins is about as unproven as anyone. They will be good, and they will be contenders, but people are going to be a bit disappointed. Look at the Nuggets, who had the 2 top scorers in the NBA and the DPOY.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 05:51 PM) Jefferson and 2 1st rounders is a whole lot of something, especially considering Jefferson might have better numbers than Garnett this season. There are not enough shots to go around in Boston, and ESPN is hyping them up so damn much right now. Garnett, Allen, and Pierce aren't necessarily young either. Allen is 32 and missed 27 games last year, Pierce will turn 30 this season, and Garnett is 31 with 12 years in the league already. Rondo is more of a scorer/slasher then a distributer, and Perkins is about as unproven as anyone. They will be good, and they will be contenders, but people are going to be a bit disappointed. Look at the Nuggets, who had the 2 top scorers in the NBA and the DPOY.... That Nuggets team would be insane in the East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 QUOTE(ChWRoCk2 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 04:21 PM) No way. Forking that much out for Garnett was kind of ridiculous. If the Bulls were to do that yes we might win a Chamionship but it would ruin our depth alot for future years. A trade like that would really nullify what Paxson has done since he becamse the GM. I dont see it either but how can you not like having a guy like Allen to drain threes on the arch, a go to the basket player in Pierce and post player in Garnett. Beyond Pierce, Allen and Garnett they are extremely young. Who do they got, Rondo, Perkins, Allan Ray, Glen 'Big Baby' Davis and Pruitt. If their big 3 play most of the game yeah Id put them at the top of the Eastern Conference but their depth and youth will kill them. They also could really use a solid defender. I think they will contend, dont get me wrong. Something about it reminds me of the Knicks situation the last couple years with shooters and ballhogs (Pierce and Allen, Marbury and Francis) coexisting on the same floor and never gelling because they are all used to being "The Man", but I think they will be able to overcome that and make the playoffs. i dont think they vault up to the top 3 of the East, either. I think the Bulls, Pistons, Heat, and possibly the Cavs will be able to handle this team, provided they could stay healthy of course. Health is always a concern for these players as well, Allen(ankles) and Garnett(knee) have had some painful nagging injuries the last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 04:51 PM) Jefferson and 2 1st rounders is a whole lot of something, especially considering Jefferson might have better numbers than Garnett this season. He won't. From what I have seen of jefferson and taking his upside into consideration, I don't envision him as an all-star. Solid and serviceable in the low-post, but not All-Star caliber. I mean, they had to get something of value, and jefferson fulfills that. But the rest just isn't much. Those first-rounders will be low picks (not lottery almost without a doubt and protected anyways). I don't see the other guys amounting to much either. Better trades have been offered. I guess mchale really is just a celtic at heart. QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 04:51 PM) Look at the Nuggets, who had the 2 top scorers in the NBA and the DPOY.... Eh, one big factor is that the west is more difficult. And KG is 100 times the player camby is (and healthy). Not a bad comparison, just not really the same. If all 3 stay healthy, the celtics should go far next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 31, 2007 Author Share Posted July 31, 2007 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 05:00 PM) He won't. From what I have seen of jefferson and taking his upside into consideration, I don't envision him as an all-star. Solid and serviceable in the low-post, but not All-Star caliber. I mean, they had to get something of value, and jefferson fulfills that. But the rest just isn't much. Those first-rounders will be low picks (not lottery almost without a doubt and protected anyways). I don't see the other guys amounting to much either. Better trades have been offered. I guess mchale really is just a celtic at heart. Eh, one big factor is that the west is more difficult. And KG is 100 times the player camby is (and healthy). Not a bad comparison, just not really the same. If all 3 stay healthy, the celtics should go far next year. Iverson + Anthony > Allen + Pierce, no doubt. Garnett > Camby by quite a bit, though Camby is the superior defense. It's a very similar case. Boston will make the playoffs but they won't make much noise. But ESPN will hype the living s*** of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 05:05 PM) Iverson + Anthony > Allen + Pierce, no doubt. It's very debatable. But I'm curious to see if how ray allen is in terms of health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 05:33 PM) It's very debatable. But I'm curious to see if how ray allen is in terms of health. Iverson (32) 26.3 ppg, Anthony (23) 28.9 ppg Allen (32) 26.4, Pierce (29) 25.0 ppg Give me AI and Melo 7 days of the week and 3 times on days that end in Y. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 03:05 PM) Iverson + Anthony > Allen + Pierce, no doubt. Garnett > Camby by quite a bit, though Camby is the superior defense. It's a very similar case. Boston will make the playoffs but they won't make much noise. But ESPN will hype the living s*** of them. Let's also remember that they only have to win the Atlantic division as well. So their competition is the 76ers (rebuilding), the Knickerbockers, the Nets (still trying their 3-play), and the Raptors (Genuine good team). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 08:39 PM) Iverson (32) 26.3 ppg, Anthony (23) 28.9 ppg Allen (32) 26.4, Pierce (29) 25.0 ppg Give me AI and Melo 7 days of the week and 3 times on days that end in Y. Scoring, yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) OK. Boston had the WORST record in the Eastern Conference last season. (24 wins) They acquired Ray Allen, who has never been the guy to make a team better (look at the struggles of the Bucks and the Supersonics). however, his addition is big, and adding him gives them what? 8-12 more wins? We'll be generous... 36 wins with Ray Allen. Next, add Kevin Garnett, but you lose ANYTHING you had off the bench, AND Al Jefferson, who personally I think was already becoming one of the best big men in the league last season... of course KG is an upgrade, but how much? Adding KG but losing Jefferson and any and all bench depth (think of the scrubs they will have in when their "big three" are resting). KG bonus for another 6-8 wins, we'll be generous again, putting them at 45-37. NOW, subtract 2 wins because of the age of their three stars and their perceived decline, and you get my Celtics 2007-2008 regular season record prediction of.... 43-39, good enough for 6th best record in the Eastern Conference, 2nd in their division, so they will be the 5 seed behind Chicago, Orlando, Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit, Boston, Miami, New Jersey. You heard it here first. EDIT: You have to love the hype though... the only ring KG is going to be AIMing for would be a three-on-three tourney ring. Edited August 1, 2007 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Hey steve, I am willing to give you 100000 to 1 odds the celts DO NOT finish 43-41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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