ESPN: Rob Mackowiak Traded to SD

[Heads22]

teams that have benefitted from trading with the Sox are more likely to do it again, Roward, Blum, El Duque paid off and those teams are coming back again

 

Yup, Ryan Meaux is totally kickin ass for the Pads.

[bigred3535]

Man I definitely understand why everyone is complaining...Mackowiak was obviously going to lead us back into contention the next couple years. That .270/8 HR/30 RBI he was going to put up next year was the key.

 

Seriously, I understand that everyone liked Rob. I did too. He was fun to watch and a good guy, but he wasn't going to help us win a championship during his current contract and we weren't going to resign him. Maybe Kenny could have gotten more for him, maybe not. We don't know. We haven't talked to anybody who actually had anything to do with any negotiations. But the fact is we don't need older utility players taking away playing time from young guys as we try to figure out who can contribute the next time we contend and who's expendable. Mackowiak was expendable for the same reason that Iguchi was, the same reason that Pods, Erstad, Uribe and Cintron are. They're all solid players who can be assets in the right situation, but they're all also older players and in our situation are not assets.

 

Best case scenario: Dubee and Link contribute at the major league level in 2009. If not, I don't see how we can blame Kenny for trying to get players that could potentially help us then for players that definitely won't. Obviously it would have been great to get Milledge and Pelfrey for Contreras and Dye but that's not the way things panned out at this deadline so it's time to let it go and think about who we have now and figure out whether they're assets or not.

 

Think about happy things everyone: Buehrle, Danks, Jenks....and even better...my fantasy football draft was today!

[Flash Tizzle]

please find me someone who didnt want to get rid of marte. He was basically worthless that offseason and we ALL felt like KW had ripped them off largely.

Browse the threads yourself. While people seemed resigned to Marte as an enigma on the White Sox, not everyone felt Williams ripped off Pittsburgh for Mackowiak. Far from it.

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...=44133&st=0

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...p;mode=threaded

 

Read this exchange:

 

Me --

 

I've learned recently the most important aspect of Williams' trades, atleast those which may appear lopsidded or unequal, are the events which occur afterwards. Trading Vizcaino and Podsednik for a fair priced Carlos Lee didn't apper very equal, but the financial flexibility alloted to Williams gave us Iguchi, Pierzynski, Hernandez.

 

This trade, at it's face value, doesn't do much for me. Marte has proven himself as a valuable left-handed relief pitcher with the ability to dominate both LH and RH batters. Mackowiak, at his best, is a versatile option off the bench. More should have been netted; especially during the current trade market for relief pitchers. Pittsburgh took advantage of our willingness to unload Marte.

 

If Williams signs Myers, however, the trade is justified.

 

You --

 

I think at face value its equal. The guy was s***ty last year and got worse at the end. HE had no value because everyone knew we didnt want him. Economics people.

 

Me --

 

I find it hard to believe NO other team would have given us a better package. Even in his poor years he still was a quality reliever. I would have expected atleast one extra mid-level pitching prospect in any trade involving Marte.

[danman31]

Don't like the age number, but everything else on that stat sheet looks really good if that link guy is the guy. Low walks, more than 1 k/IP, low ERA, nobody hitting him at all, couple more Hr's than I'd like to see.

Don't forget the Cali League is a huge hitters' league. Those numbers are actually pretty sick, but age is a huge factor here. He may have a fair shot at making it to the bigs, but I don't know about his upside.

 

Were people seriously expecting us to get a good prospect for Mackowiak?

Yeah, I'm not sure why people are so upset. It's not a huge loss. People were begging to get Rob out of here before he got hot.

[santo=dorf]

I wasn't expecting a grade A prospect and especially since nobody was moved this week, but Rob did have a July OPS over 1.100

[Heads22]

I'd love to bring him back after the season.

[BearSox]

how could we not get anything better then this 23 year old who will be lucky to see the majors in even 4-5 years? Mack is a MLB player who can play any position you want him and is an average-above average hitter. He had been batting .270 or something with 6 homers and 30 some rbis in only 230 some AB's, which is pretty good production from a bench player if you ask me.

[Jeremy]

It's really a shame. We had a weak bench for so long and then when we finally brought a very good bench player in we used him poorly and then traded him for virtually nothing when he still had a reasonable option year left. Now we'll likely be back to having a poor bench again.

[Rowand44]

Damaso's career would have continued to slide if he stayed in Chicago, he's no loss.

[SoxAce]

Jon Link is gonna Boone Logan this b**** next season/spring training.

[Chisoxfn]

The Mackowiak trade saves about $916K this year

I would love it if we took some of that money and threw it at a couple tough signs from this years draft as well as pooled up some of it for potential international FA's or next years draft (going to some guys that would be drafted later on in the draft yet being offered well above slot money).

 

Thats at least what I"d do with the money from the Iguchi/Mack deals. Plus we added two prospects (and yes we have no clue whether these guys will be good but I never expected more than A ball guys for those two).

 

I am extremely pissed that we didn't move Dye but I Got to catch up and see what the offer was that Kenny inevitably turned down (i will s*** a brick if the Sox don't offer Dye arbitration though...oh my god I will s*** a brick).

 

Right now I'm a dissapointed fan, but I can't comment more than that until I see what the hell was not done (by Kenny). If he didn't get a fair deal I understand and I now expect Sweeney to play a boatload from here on out (and I'm hoping we can maybe slide a guy or two through waivers and move them soon enough...wink wink...Contreras).

 

Plus Dye probably makes it to some of the lower level teams in the race (which means you still have an outside shot at moving him, but clearly he doesn't make it to the Red Sox or any NL team).

[frankie5angels]

I would love it if we took some of that money and threw it at a couple tough signs from this years draft as well as pooled up some of it for potential international FA's or next years draft (going to some guys that would be drafted later on in the draft yet being offered well above slot money).

 

Thats at least what I"d do with the money from the Iguchi/Mack deals. Plus we added two prospects (and yes we have no clue whether these guys will be good but I never expected more than A ball guys for those two).

 

I am extremely pissed that we didn't move Dye but I Got to catch up and see what the offer was that Kenny inevitably turned down (i will s*** a brick if the Sox don't offer Dye arbitration though...oh my god I will s*** a brick).

 

Right now I'm a dissapointed fan, but I can't comment more than that until I see what the hell was not done (by Kenny). If he didn't get a fair deal I understand and I now expect Sweeney to play a boatload from here on out (and I'm hoping we can maybe slide a guy or two through waivers and move them soon enough...wink wink...Contreras).

 

Plus Dye probably makes it to some of the lower level teams in the race (which means you still have an outside shot at moving him, but clearly he doesn't make it to the Red Sox or any NL team).

 

We ain't gotta snowball's chance in hell of anyone biting on Jose. I'm hoping the guy just ups and retires, maybe he has some pride and won't want to be embarassed anymore and just quits.

 

[Chisoxfn]

We ain't gotta snowball's chance in hell of anyone biting on Jose. I'm hoping the guy just ups and retires, maybe he has some pride and won't want to be embarassed anymore and just quits.

He'll likely clear waivers immediately, which means at that point the Sox are free to negotiate with any team IIRC. I'm not saying it will happen, but all it takes is one or two good starts or him to find ihs velocity (yes its not likely, but it is possible) and at that point you can still get a good prospect or two for him (of course this prospect would have to most likely not be on the 40 man roster because otherwise he would have to clear waivers to get to Chicago, albeit there aren't many teams worse than the Sox).

[Rowand44]

He'll likely clear waivers immediately, which means at that point the Sox are free to negotiate with any team IIRC. I'm not saying it will happen, but all it takes is one or two good starts or him to find ihs velocity (yes its not likely, but it is possible) and at that point you can still get a good prospect or two for him (of course this prospect would have to most likely not be on the 40 man roster because otherwise he would have to clear waivers to get to Chicago, albeit there aren't many teams worse than the Sox).

Don't get your hopes up, my friend. We're stuck with Jose.

[Chisoxfn]

Don't get your hopes up, my friend. We're stuck with Jose.

s***...I didn't realize he bombed another game. If he really is healthy I guess we got tos tick with him at this point hoping somehow he shows something. That or DL him, have him come back in September and hope to hell he has a fresh arm that peaks some teams interest so the club can unload his s***ty contract in the off-season.

 

God I don't want to be stuck with Jose Contreras. I'd rather deal Contreras in the off-season for another terrible outfield contract who could at least be of value to the Sox (since they need outfielders anyway) or someone like Julo Lugo's massive contract (since again that would at least fill a need).

[Yossarian]

You couldn't even trade Jose for that another Class A pitcher. Right now he has zero value. That's right zero. I don't know if he suddenly realized that he's 55 years old, or he never recovered from his injury, or both.

[Maverick0984]

I'm definitely disappointed Mack is gone

[kwolf68]

I'm definitely disappointed Mack is gone

 

 

I am as well. I loved getting him and felt giving up the talented, though enigmatic, Marte was a good move for both Pitt and Chicago. I thought Marte needed a change of scenary and Mack was coming home to be a roving utility player, giving us options at 2nd, 3rd and the OF.

 

Then Mack was misused last year before being dealt for a single A relief pitcher (not even a prospect) this year. To trade a guy that is playing well that costed us a major league (and solid) pitcher for a nothing A ball player simply defies logic.

[NorthSideSox72]

I'd love to bring him back after the season.

I was thinking last night, that may very well happen. Looking at the bench for 2008, we'd need a bench player who can cover 3rd, and maybe also some OF and middle IF, depending on what the team does. I'm figuring the 2008 bench will be something like Ozuna (corner OF, 3B), Bourgeois (middle IF), Owens (all OF), Hall ©. That leaves a need for a 3B/1B guy.

 

[Kalapse]

Andy Gonzalez will be on the bench next year and I'd say there's a 50/50 chance you see Cintron retained.

[NorthSideSox72]

Andy Gonzalez will be on the bench next year and I'd say there's a 50/50 chance you see Cintron retained.

Maybe on Gonzalez. But I think Cintron is gone. And Cintron isn't a very good thirdbaseman

[Balta1701]

Maybe on Gonzalez. But I think Cintron is gone. And Cintron isn't a very good thirdbaseman

Well, we may very well be carrying 2 starting 3rd basemen next year anyway, so that might not be a huge issue. But anyway, when has "he's not very good at position xxx" stopped us from putting a player there?

[The Beast]

While I do not necessarily care for the trade of Mackowiak, I felt the Gooch trade was needed to see what Richar could do.

 

I am hoping and praying to god that we do not see Andy Gonzalez, Luis Terrero or Alex Cintron ever in our uniform again after this season. Those guys are an embarassment to the way I like to see baseball played. They are garbage at the plate, and that is not good for a team who relies on their offense. Guys like Ozuna, however deserve a spot on that bench and I think that might be what made Mackowiak expendable, Ozuna and Owens.

 

I will be grateful if they bring Pods back in an incentive laden deal and let Erstad go. While I am disappointed in KW's decision of not moving Dye, I am certain that Dye won't find much of a job some place else and will come back healthy and cheap to next years team. Hopefully Juan Uribe gets bought out and gets the hell out of Chicago. I'm thinking we'll see A-Row back next year in that outfield, or at least I hope so.

 

I have a feeling something fishy is going on and that Jose Contreras will be moved sometime this off-season because his value could be better for whatever reason, maybe reason being, it's not in-season then.

 

As for the pen, I think the team needs to take a hard look at f***-b**** (Bukvich), Thornton, and MacDougal. I like what Wassermann has to offer, he seems to be like Kelly Wunsch part II. Haeger is also absolutely siick out of that bullpen.

 

Just a few thoughts is all. I second the motion for a Rick Hahn for GM club.

Edited August 1, 2007 by Beastly

[Chisoxfn]

Andy Gonzalez will be on the bench next year and I'd say there's a 50/50 chance you see Cintron retained.

There is no way Cintron will be back. I'd be stunned if either Cintron/Uribe are back. I would not be shocked to see Mack brought back though.