Official College Football Thread

[WhiteSoxfan1986]

I don't see how you can leave LSU out of the title game. I hope they don't get screwed like Auburn did three years ago.

[fathom]

This will be without a doubt the weakest national champion since the BCS started.

 

The sad thing is that the best team in the nation was Oregon when Dixon was healthy.

[Rex Hudler]

I just don't think OSU is that good, but neither is anyone really else in college football. OSU had a weak schedule, especially their non conference opponents. Does BCS still take into account strength of schedule?

 

The computer polls, which account for 1/3 of the BCS formula do to some extent. There are six different computer polls and all have different measures for their rankings.

 

The bottom line is there are no great teams in college football this year. There are a lot of good teams that can play great on a given day, but aren't elite.

 

Everybody is saying that OSU is getting rewarded for "being in the clubhouse". I think that is a BS argument because they played the same amount of games (not counting the conf champ game teams). They just did so without a bye. USC ends their season two weeks later than the Big Ten, but play the same amount of games. There is no unfair advantage. OSU, while their schedule was weaker this year, won their games. If you are comparing one loss teams, you take OSU in a hurry over Kansas.

 

When comparing two loss teams, LSU wins all the comparisons, even with USC.

Edited December 2, 2007 by Rex Hudler

[whitesoxfan99]

The sad thing is that the best team in the nation was Oregon when Dixon was healthy.

 

Agreed. If there was an MVP of college football this year it was Dixon. Amazing how bad they were without him.

[whitesoxfan99]

I don't see how you can leave LSU out of the title game. I hope they don't get screwed like Auburn did three years ago.

 

Not sure Auburn really got screwed. There were two other undefeated teams that year. Would Auburn have given USC a better game? Probably but I still think they get hammered.

[danman31]

Herbstreit just said he would have KU in the BCS (assuming Oklahoma win). So basically MU would be penalized for playing Oklahoma twice and KU would be rewarded for losing to the only good team they played, and beating up on a bunch of piece of crap teams. Makes sense.

Thank you. That's all I care about at this point. Unless Ohio State wins, the national champ is a joke this year. I'd rather see Hawaii in the title game than a 2 loss team (that is if Hawaii doesn't f*** up tonight too).

[whitesoxfan99]

Thank you. That's all I care about at this point. Unless Ohio State wins, the national champ is a joke this year.

 

Just to clarify, he said BCS bowl not championship. OSU v. LSU title game. Still don't see how KU should get in a BCS game over Missouri.

[danman31]

Just to clarify, he said BCS bowl not championship. OSU v. LSU title game. Still don't see how KU should get in a BCS game over Missouri.

I agree, I knew what you meant.

[Chombi]

Yea BCS is in some trouble. KU gets a game over MU it appears (MU alum). Ohio State gets in again and hopefully has to play LSU, not Georgia. If it's Georgia, what a joke for the NCAA. LSU will mop the floor with the continually overrated big ten champion. It's just a shame.

 

I was really hoping Mizzou could've pulled it out but they just aren't there yet. Both talent wise and coaching. Some of the calls tonight were pathetic. Red Zone and defensively. Sad they don't even get a bcs game.

[whitesoxfan99]

The OSU team that beat what is likely one of the most talented teams ever in the NC game a few years back was certainly overrated.

[danman31]

Hawaii's got 3 turnovers and is down 21-0 after 1, nice.

 

Mizzou did have Chase Coffman, who was the best WR/TE against OU the first time, out and Danario Alexander, who was the best guy against Kansas, out for most of the game. The offense would have scored more with them, but the defense couldn't stop OU's run in the 2nd half so it wouldn't have mattered.

[DrunkBomber]

I still think Ohio State and LSU will/should end up playing for the Championship. Once again, I think you can say the BCS worked.

 

That said, who in the hell does a Michigan fan root for???

This seems like the most logical matchup

[whitesoxfan99]

This seems like the most logical matchup

 

We could potentially see a split national champion this year if that isn't the matchup. Say OSU plays Georgia and USC plays LSU. I could actually see LSU being voted number 1 they were to beat USC and Georgia were to beat OSU.

[Rex Hudler]

Here is my breakdown based solely on guessing, not having read anything about what specific bowls may do:

 

BCS Championship - OSU vs. LSU

 

Rose - USC vs. Illinois or Georgia

 

Sugar - Georgia or Illinois vs. Missouri or Kansas (Illinois/Missouri rematch?)

 

Fiesta - Oklahoma vs. Arizona State

 

Orange - VA Tech vs. West Virginia

 

 

Somebody tell me where I am off, please.

[whitesoxfan99]

Here is my breakdown based solely on guessing, not having read anything about what specific bowls may do:

 

BCS Championship - OSU vs. LSU

 

Rose - USC vs. Illinois or Georgia

 

Sugar - Georgia or Illinois vs. Missouri or Kansas (Illinois/Missouri rematch?)

 

Fiesta - Oklahoma vs. Arizona State

 

Orange - VA Tech vs. West Virginia

Somebody tell me where I am off, please.

 

If Hawaii wins they are in a BCS game.

[DrunkBomber]

Here is my breakdown based solely on guessing, not having read anything about what specific bowls may do:

 

BCS Championship - OSU vs. LSU

 

Rose - USC vs. Illinois or Georgia

 

Sugar - Georgia or Illinois vs. Missouri or Kansas (Illinois/Missouri rematch?)

 

Fiesta - Oklahoma vs. Arizona State

 

Orange - VA Tech vs. West Virginia

Somebody tell me where I am off, please.

Well it would have to be U of I in the Rose Bowl wouldnt it?

[Gene Honda Civic]

Well it would have to be U of I in the Rose Bowl wouldnt it?

The Rose Bowl is under no obligation to take a Big 10/Pac 10 team if they lose them to the NC.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Here is my breakdown based solely on guessing, not having read anything about what specific bowls may do:

 

BCS Championship - OSU vs. LSU

 

Rose - USC vs. Illinois or Georgia

 

Sugar - Georgia or Illinois vs. Missouri or Kansas (Illinois/Missouri rematch?)

 

Fiesta - Oklahoma vs. Arizona State

 

Orange - VA Tech vs. West Virginia

Somebody tell me where I am off, please.

I'll be really interested to see the movement in the polls. There's going to be a strong sentiment for LSU to be in as the SEC champ over Georgia. I think you might even see a number of people who want an OSU-LSU matchup to put LSU 1 in the polls to offset the Georgia factor.

 

OSU is in for sure. Right now, without having heard any of the pundits sound off, I would think that UGA will be #2...

 

Either way, it will be a big clusterf*** which will produce lots of complaining. I'm just not quite sure which coach/boosters are going to be making the most noise....

 

I'd bet on Hawaii coming back by the end of the night.

 

Let's call this a doomsday scenario....

 

NC = OSU vs UGA

Rose = USC vs. ILL (Their only other choices are KU, Hawaii, or ASU)

Fiesta = OU vs. KU (a big 12 game is better than a matchup with Hawaii -- Actually, no. They'll take Hawaii. They got a great game last year with OU and an exciting at-large. They'll look for that again.)

Orange = WVU vs. VT

Sugar = LSU vs. KU

 

If you're right rex, and LSU jumps to #2, with pollsters really thinking about the impact of their votes... I would predict the top 5 to be OSU, LSU, UGA, VT, KU (I think KU then misses out on a BCS game because they're not in the top 4 -- Or did they change that to top 6?) Anyway, if KU misses out, and LSU is in the title game. ASU will play in the fiesta vs. OU with UGA vs. Hawaii in the Sugar.

Edited December 2, 2007 by Gene Honda Civic

[Rex Hudler]

If Hawaii wins they are in a BCS game.

 

I was working on the assumption they were going to lose tonight. Might still happen that way, but Hawaii isn't going away quietly.

 

So if Hawaii wins, who loses out? Illinois? Arizona State?

[WhiteSoxfan1986]

Not sure Auburn really got screwed. There were two other undefeated teams that year. Would Auburn have given USC a better game? Probably but I still think they get hammered.

 

I thought they should have got in over OU. The SEC is the toughest conference year in and year out, and Auburn runs the table and still doesn't get invited. Granted their non-conference was a joke thet year but I still thought they deserved to go. I also thought LSU should have been the outright #1 in 2003.

[Gene Honda Civic]

I was working on the assumption they were going to lose tonight. Might still happen that way, but Hawaii isn't going away quietly.

 

So if Hawaii wins, who loses out? Illinois? Arizona State?

ASU. (but it all depends on KU's status)

 

You have to figure the top 6 to be OSU, LSU, UGa, VT, KU, OU.

 

The teams that are in for sure are OSU, LSU, VT, WVU, OU, and USC. The first picks of the other eligibles are going to be Rose and Sugar.

 

Rose would take a traditional power, or big draw over ILL if they had one. It's not really there in a pool that includes, Hawaii (presumably), Kansas, ASU, and ILL -- MICH is ineligible with less than 9 wins. FLA would be ineligible with two other SEC schools in gaining essentially automatic bids by being in the top 4. So the Rose take ILL to pair with USC.

 

Sugar then takes the top available team (LSU or UGa)...

 

Orange picks next, filling it's game by picking WVU to pair with VT.

 

Fiesta goes, picking from ASU, KU, Hawii to pair with OU... ASU makes the most sense, but if KU gets an auto bid by being high enough. ASU will be on the outside looking in ...

 

because... The Sugar is forced to take Hawaii with the last pick...

[Jimbo's Drinker]

Ron Franklin, oh man you are boring

[WHarris1]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/67...illfb02.article

 

Please be true. Actual info is in the last paragraph.

[maggsmaggs]

As a huge Illini fan who goes to Mizzou, it will truly be a travesty when Illinois and Kansas go to BCS bowl games over Mizzou who beat both of those teams on neutral fields and is the superior team. It just is not fair and the BCS needs to go. 8-team playoff, there is no way that you can tell me that LSU is a better two loss team than Mizzou, Georgia, Oklahoma, or better than a one loss Kansas for that matter.

[Gene Honda Civic]

As a huge Illini fan who goes to Mizzou, it will truly be a travesty when Illinois and Kansas go to BCS bowl games over Mizzou who beat both of those teams on neutral fields and is the superior team. It just is not fair and the BCS needs to go. 8-team playoff, there is no way that you can tell me that LSU is a better two loss team than Mizzou, Georgia, Oklahoma, or better than a one loss Kansas for that matter.

I'm in favor of a playoff, but an 8 team playoff this year would still have Mizzou on the outside looking in.... It doesn't fix the problem you're complaining about.