lord chas Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Aug 11, 2007 -> 05:13 PM) They kept mentioning Ronny Cedeno on White Sox weekly...I doubt KW could get him but that wouldn't be a bad return for Pods. why not. pinella doesnt play him and theyre desperate for outfield help. we need to take advantage of other teams problems for once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 I also have my doubts that Pods will be going anywhere. If he is traded it will probably be after the season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Pods on base twice so far and he has stolen 2 bases....way to go kid. I'd love to get Cedeno for him, but I don't get how he'd pass through waivers (But maybe he would). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Aug 11, 2007 -> 08:57 PM) Pods on base twice so far and he has stolen 2 bases....way to go kid. I'd love to get Cedeno for him, but I don't get how he'd pass through waivers (But maybe he would). Put up the podcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Cedeno would NEVER make it through waivers but he could be dealt as a PTBNL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 11, 2007 -> 07:29 PM) Cedeno would NEVER make it through waivers but he could be dealt as a PTBNL. I thought that would be a possibility, but for whatever reason I figure if Kenny gets a SS (and Cedeno would probably be that) he would want to see if he had a keeper or not (Cedeno is just killing the ball down in the minors, the question is whether he'll be able to hit at the major league level). Either way I'd be down with that deal because worse case Cedeno replaces Cintron as a versatile backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Its inevitable...Sox will acquire Willy Mo Pena (who cleared waivers) and he will replace the traded Scott Podsednik in left field. Sweeney will eventually come up and get ab's all over the outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Is Sweeney playing again yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2007 -> 08:58 PM) Is Sweeney playing again yet? Yep, he went 1-4 on Friday (which was his first game back). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Aug 11, 2007 -> 10:59 PM) Yep, he went 1-4 on Friday (which was his first game back). If he is ready to go, ship Pods ass out of here and get him in the line up. He is another one that we need to find out if he fits into our future plans or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 11, 2007 -> 09:42 PM) BUT THE SPEED! WHAT WILL WE DO WITHOUT THE SPEEDDD!!!! Technically Kenny better find some speed for the top of the order, stick Richar at the 9 spot and hopefully get a guy like Rowand or whomever for the 2 spot in the lineup (I'd like Richar down in the lineup so he doesn't have a ton of pressure next year; I could even live with Fields in the 2 spot as I think that gives him great protection and allows him to see such good pitches and get more confident). That should significantly upgrade team speed to a point and than you obviously still have the boppers in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2007 -> 09:00 PM) If he is ready to go, ship Pods ass out of here and get him in the line up. He is another one that we need to find out if he fits into our future plans or not. Hate to say it, but after this little injury, I'm getting more and more convinced that Ryan just isn't ready for the show yet. Another offseason of working out, getting in shape, playing some winterball, maybe adding a few more pounds of muscle and maybe sometime early or middle of next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 11, 2007 -> 09:53 PM) I don't share the same philosophy most do when it comes to the lead-off hitter. I'll take the guy thats gets on base at a .370 clip and steals me 10 bags rather than the guy that gets on at a .330 clip and steals me 40. Now there are obvious exceptions to the rule (Ichiro,Reyes, great to have both) but if we were to bring back Rowand, I have 0 problem with him the lead-off spot. Now Rowand might have a problem with it, but if Aaron can come anywhere close to the .386 OBP he currently holds, the Sox offense will be tremendously better. Just watch, ARow won't put up anything close to these numbers in the next few seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkmoney Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I'm not so sure about this anymore. just from being at the game and hearing how loud everyone cheers for Pods... And he got 2 hits and 2 SB tonight. If only he weren't injured a lot. Why not have Pods/Owens be the 1/2 combo? but Fields doing well.. hmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 QUOTE(bkmoney @ Aug 12, 2007 -> 01:02 AM) I'm not so sure about this anymore. just from being at the game and hearing how loud everyone cheers for Pods... And he got 2 hits and 2 SB tonight. If only he weren't injured a lot. Why not have Pods/Owens be the 1/2 combo? but Fields doing well.. hmm Because he is always injured, isn't very good and will make about $3M next year. That's why. He's spent 70% of the season on the DL, don't let 1 game cloud your judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I could see paying scotty the same erstad made this year but not if you are going to sign both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Podsednik is arbitration eligible next season, if he's with the White Sox he will make NO LESS than $2.32M but more often than not a player does not receive a drop in salary during his final year of arbitration even after a bad season. I can't see him making any less than $2.7M but as much as $3M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I don't really want him on the team at that price. Right now, if I had to bet over-under on him playing 80 games next year*, I'd take the under. *assuming he was an everyday player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 So if you avoid arbitration one year by resigning that player for a year, is he automatically arbitration eligible the next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 QUOTE(max power @ Aug 12, 2007 -> 01:34 AM) So if you avoid arbitration one year by resigning that player for a year, is he automatically arbitration eligible the next year? A player is eligible for arbitration in years 4-6 of his pro career, signing a one year deal to avoid arbitration just means the two sides don't want to go infront of an arbitrator and instead are able to come to a consensus on the player's worth for that season. It doesn't add on any years of arbitration eligibility. After the 6th season the player becomes a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Kalapse sez: "Because he is always injured, isn't very good and will make about $3M next year. That's why. He's spent 70% of the season on the DL, don't let 1 game cloud your judgment. " Don't let (roughly) 1 season cloud your judgement either. When he's healthy, he produces. I'm not gonna pretend I know how much time he's spent on the DL before he got to the Sox, but I get the feeling that the problems he's had in 06-07 are limited to 06-07. ***Many a ballplayer has frequented the DL more than Pods only to come back and produce again.*** Baseball isn't a game of "what have you done for me lately". Think of it as a phase. Look at Mags. I'm not comparing the two production-wise, but rather their situations. Management thinks he's injury prone, dumps him, and now he's gonna be the AL MVP, and a big part of the reason D-Town got to the show last year. Patience is a virtue. Everyone is already writing 08 off (unjustifiably so. how many wrote 05 off as well?) On paper, we should've won in 06, but "on paper" means s***. Look, if he gets injured again this year, then perhaps I'll agree with you, but if he can stay healthy, there's not too much risk in bringing him back and enjoying his production. He's fast, can hit, and isn't exactly Bill the Butcher in left. There are worse defensive everyday outfielders in the bigs-not everyone on the team HAS to be a gold glover for a team to succeed... Again, our win/loss record with him in our lineup is better than without. I'd rather roll the dice on Pods than sticking Fields in left when he belongs at third. (In fact, the injury problems Pods has are far less alarming to me than what Crede is pulling nowadays. Back problems are a wee bit worse than groin problems). Owens in my eyes is still unproven, and I can't see how anyone can say he's "everyday" quality just yet. I don't think we'll be getting an A-Row for center next year, so why not platoon Jerry with Pods in left and whoever gets center. Owens will get his playing time, be it in left or center, we have speed either way, and if Pods goes down, we have a somewhat acceptable backup plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLsouthsider Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 QUOTE(ChiSox35 @ Aug 12, 2007 -> 05:49 AM) *** Baseball isn't a game of "what have you done for me lately". Think of it as a phase. Look at Mags. I'm not comparing the two production-wise, but rather their situations. Management thinks he's injury prone, dumps him, and now he's gonna be the AL MVP, and a big part of the reason D-Town got to the show last year. Patience is a virtue. Don't compare Podsednik to Ordonez. First off, Magglio averaged about 600 (extremely productive) at-bats for six years. Then he went down with a freak knee injury, and his agent basically forced the team's hand with the handling of said injury. On top of all that, Ordonez was making $14 million the year he went down, and is clearing well above that in Detroit now. Magglio is and was a franchise-type player. And as such would have cost the Sox roughly 15-20 percent of their payroll. Would you commit that type of money to a guy with an iffy knee? Would you have rather had Ordonez in RF in 2005 (when he missed half the season with a different injury) instead of guys like Dye, Pierzynski, the aforementioned Podsednik and others? Ordonez had serious questions about the health of his knee resulting from a single incident, not the litany of ailments that have fallen upon Podsednik in recent years. And bringing back Ordonez required a huge leap of faith, as well as a huge pile of cash. Not just writing him off as "injury prone" and being done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 1. He is terrible in left field. If you are going to suffer that kind of defense, the player should be a power hitter, not a punch and judy hitter. 2. The Sox did not dump Ordonez because they thought he was injury prone - he had a severe injury and would not let the Sox look at his medical records. That made him a huge risk for the Sox. 3. You don't platoon two lefties. Pods, thanks for '05, but we have to move on. Putting Fields in left until the Crede situation is resolved is a far better option for the '08 Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 (edited) Just curious, but has anyone seen Pods injury record prior to the recent problems? If it's just the 06-07 situation, then I still would argue that it would be rash to dump him because of it, especially since he's not breaking any banks salary-wise. For what we're paying him, if he stays healthy, he's worth it. FLsouthsider: You're right, and I wouldn't unless I was sure he could play. Detroit took care of that one with some stipulations in his contract, and he signed it. Ghost: having a severe injury and believing someone is injury prone are essentially the same scenarios. The club doesn't have faith in the health of the player in question. As for the defensive situation and power hitting, if we have all the power we need, but lack speed, what difference does it make if our shortstop or third baseman (not to mention right fielder, first baseman, and DH) can hit for power and our left fielder doesn't? Neither of our power hitters can run. If he were getting 6-8 million then yeah, I'd want more than speed and a .270 hitter, but he's not. I keep bringing this up, but when he's in our lineup, we're a better team. We've taken bigger risks than this, and if it works out, it would help the club on the cheap. ***I don't actually think he'll be brought back next year, I just don't think it would be a terrible idea to do so. Edited August 12, 2007 by ChiSox35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 This move is dead now from what I read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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