RockRaines Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Z made the right move. He signs in the AL this offseason and hears cries of bust for the next 6 years. Stay in the weakest division in baseball, get overpaid, and the fans dont watch the game. Its a players dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Aug 17, 2007 -> 02:00 PM) Which is why I included the second paragraph. But I'd want to see a good analysis. There's no obvious reason that AL teams would spend more on pitchers (but o/w, the change should be on average equal to the average difference between the leagues). Consider that the Giants outbid everyone for Zito. Lol, but it does show that pitching is prized in the NL. I need to see some evidence that one sees almost a full run difference. That's f'n huge -- all I'm saying is, convince me. Arroyo, Lilly, s*** even Rauch. Moving from the NL to the Al gives you about a run higher ERA. Not to mention moving from the weakest division (NLC) to probably the AL east would have killed his value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 18, 2007 -> 01:20 PM) Z made the right move. He signs in the AL this offseason and hears cries of bust for the next 6 years. Stay in the weakest division in baseball, get overpaid, and the fans dont watch the game. Its a players dream. Haha...thats seriously laughable. The move from the NL to AL wouldn't have a major impact on a guy like Z (not with his stuff). I realize his control problems would get him into a bit more trouble as he wouldn't have the pitchers spot to bail him out, but the guy has one of the best arms in all of baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 18, 2007 -> 04:22 PM) Arroyo, Lilly, s*** even Rauch. Moving from the NL to the Al gives you about a run higher ERA. Not to mention moving from the weakest division (NLC) to probably the AL east would have killed his value. And Zito, Milton, Burnett? I just don't think the difference between the leagues is a full run, and just finding a couple examples won't convince me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Aug 18, 2007 -> 03:31 PM) Haha...thats seriously laughable. The move from the NL to AL wouldn't have a major impact on a guy like Z (not with his stuff). I realize his control problems would get him into a bit more trouble as he wouldn't have the pitchers spot to bail him out, but the guy has one of the best arms in all of baseball. I've seen close to every start Zambrano as made as a member of the Cubs and I can say with great confidence that switching leagues would have hurt him big time. The guy has amazing stuff but he also tends to leave hittable pitches out over the plate which is why he's made a living out of walking the more dangerous hitters in lineup to get to the #8 hitter or pitcher to end the inning. Having to face 8-9 legitimate offensive threats would be a huge challenge for Carlos and I'm not sure he'd survive it mentally. I also think not being able to get his 3 ABs per game would drive him insane. Zambrano was born to pitch in the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 To let you know how badly the Cubs screwed the pooch on this one... If they would have given him what he asked for in April, he would have been signed at 5 years $80 million. But according to his agent, spring of 2006, he approached the Cubs about adding 3 years at only $36 million to his exsisting deal. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Aug 18, 2007 -> 03:31 PM) Haha...thats seriously laughable. The move from the NL to AL wouldn't have a major impact on a guy like Z (not with his stuff). I realize his control problems would get him into a bit more trouble as he wouldn't have the pitchers spot to bail him out, but the guy has one of the best arms in all of baseball. And stats mean nothing right Jas? He has struggled against the AL in interleague play from the moment he started in the league. his "stuff" is good there is no doubt about that, but he benefits majorly from the pitchers spot and the piss poor competition in the NLC. I would venture to say that in the AL (most likely the east) he wouldnt crack a 4 ERA. Also here is a pretty good article with statistical references to the switch from league to league. http://sabermetricresearch.blogspot.com/20...al-than-nl.html Edited August 19, 2007 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 18, 2007 -> 08:25 PM) And stats mean nothing right Jas? He has struggled against the AL in interleague play from the moment he started in the league. his "stuff" is good there is no doubt about that, but he benefits majorly from the pitchers spot and the piss poor competition in the NLC. I would venture to say that in the AL (most likely the east) he wouldnt crack a 4 ERA. Also here is a pretty good article with statistical references to the switch from league to league. http://sabermetricresearch.blogspot.com/20...al-than-nl.html Just about the article -- it makes me think that the difference is higher than I thought. Not quite 1 run, but closer than I thought. Maybe 3/4. Good cite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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