Dye signs extension

[BearSox]

I don't understand why everyone wants Thome gone now. Do you want no left handed presence what-so-ever in the lineup? And Pierzynski doesn't count.

[witesoxfan]

I agree completely, but if my choices are down to him, Erstad, and Podsednik for LF and leading off, I'm afraid I'd have to choose Owens. You?

 

One bullet and a gun.

[Flash Tizzle]

I don't mind the extension, itself. 22 million over two seasons isn't much of a risk.

 

What I absolutely HATE is the reason we're at this point. Once again, our minor league system has failed us. Because we're void of a legitimate OF prospect(s) Williams has no choice but to devote money to Dye. Unfortunately, a similar situation may present itself with Uribe and Erstad. It has just become pathetic. No team with aspirations for a championship can continue without production from within.

 

I can't wait until we resign Pierzynski because there's no legitimate catching prospect within the system. Someone tell me that scenario isn't inevitable.

 

Even with Jermaine, my thoughts towards 2008 haven't changed. Williams still needs to acquire minor league talent from Garland (and yes, my expectations are still high) and immediately improve the positional prospects within the organization. Until these both occur, the future isn't looking good for Williams or the White Sox.

Edited August 19, 2007 by Flash Tizzle

[CWSGuy406]

If he just learns a bit more patience, and get on base more often, he can keep stealing at a good clip and cause all of kinds of problems on the base paths.

 

And hey, if I learn to throw 95 MPH with a nasty hook, I might be looking at a career in the big leagues too!

[fathom]

Please, please, please, don't go into 2008 with Owens, Pods, or Erstad as a starting outfielder.

[TheBigHurt]

Good news.

[BearSox]

I don't mind the extension, itself. 22 million over two seasons isn't much of a risk.

 

What I absolutely HATE is the reason we're at this point. Once again, our minor league system has failed us. Because we're void of a legitimate OF prospect(s) Williams has no choice but to devote money to Dye. Unfortunately, a similar situation may present itself with Uribe and Erstad. It has just become pathetic. No team with aspirations for a championship can continue without production from within.

 

I can't wait until we resign Pierzynski because there's no legitimate catching prospect within the system. Someone tell me that scenario isn't inevitable.

 

Even with Jermaine, my thoughts towards 2008 haven't changed. Williams still needs to acquire minor league talent from Garland (and yes, my expectations are still high) and immediately improve the positional prospects within the organization. Until these both occur, the future isn't looking good for Williams or the White Sox.

 

I wonder if Taylor Teagarden of the Rangers might be available... I'd like to see him brought in, he'd be a legit catching prospect.

 

And if we were to trade Garland, if we could get a package of Hu, Meloan, and something else, I'd hope KW would make that deal. Hu would automatically become our SS and Meloan could fill a hole in the pen.

 

Also, a guy that I really have fallen in love with is Wilson Betemit. If ARod stays with the Yanks, perhaps Betemit could be available. I think if we got Hu, Betemit would be a perfect platoon partner to have in the INF to take off some of the load on Richar, Fields, and Hu and still get plenty of playing time.

 

Still, we'd need to find an OF to leadoff. I might as well say LF as I am guessing that Rowand will probably be patrolling CF for us next season.

[beautox]

DH: Thome

1B: Konerko

2B: Richar

SS: ?

3B: Crede playing for a contract

LF: Fields

CF: ?

RF: Dye

 

That doesn't make my eyes bleed at least, but we still have 2 glaring holes we need to figure something out about. Better than I thought we'd be at this point looking towards 2008 though, I like our pitching still. I don't mind this extension either, 2 years for JD at 11 million is worth it if he can be a 30 homer guy the next 2 years and hit .270, and I think he can. And what Rowand said about eating his words about not trading Dye, I echo those sentiments.

 

Not a bad signing at all, just move him to LF and deal with Sweeney's growing pains in RF, even though hes been disappointing this season.

 

I agree, i'd like to see the sox move Garland to the Dodgers in the Offseaon for Furcal and Abreu or Meloan. Hu is ready to step into SS for them and they need another starting pitching Furcal is having a down year on a sore ankel but hes a good bet to bounce back.

 

Move Crede to the Giants or Padres.

 

Feel out the rest of the season on Jose let him build up that trade value.

 

Sign one of Rowand/Hunter/Jones/Fukodome, or trade for Crisp/Ellsburry.

 

SS S Furcal

2B L Richar

DH L Thome

1B R Konerko

LF R Dye

C L AJP

CF R Rowand

3B R Fields

RF L Sweeney

 

If the right moves are made i could see us in contention next season; Bull Pens are so volatile in nature so if we get a semblance of one with our Starting pitching remaining constant or regressing a bit its defiantly possible.

[vandy125]

And hey, if I learn to throw 95 MPH with a nasty hook, I might be looking at a career in the big leagues too!

Last I heard, you weren't already throwing 90, and had no hook whatsoever. Nice comparison...

[Dick Allen]

Not a bad signing at all, just move him to LF and deal with Sweeney's growing pains in RF, even though hes been disappointing this season.

 

I agree, i'd like to see the sox move Garland to the Dodgers in the Offseaon for Furcal and Abreu or Meloan. Hu is ready to step into SS for them and they need another starting pitching Furcal is having a down year on a sore ankel but hes a good bet to bounce back.

 

Move Crede to the Giants or Padres.

 

Feel out the rest of the season on Jose let him build up that trade value.

 

Sign one of Rowand/Hunter/Jones/Fukodome, or trade for Crisp/Ellsburry.

 

SS S Furcal

2B L Richar

DH L Thome

1B R Konerko

LF R Dye

C L AJP

CF R Rowand

3B R Fields

RF L Sweeney

 

If the right moves are made i could see us in contention next season; Bull Pens are so volatile in nature so if we get a semblance of one with our Starting pitching remaining constant or regressing a bit its defiantly possible.

 

KW is going to have to up the payroll significantly. Basically bringing back the same team with minor tweaks such as replacing Uribe with Greene, which has been rumored, and giving them a "do over" is a mistake. I don't know how subtracting Garland and replacing his $ with Rowand or Hunter makes it much better either. The offense would be better, but the pitching takes another step back. Maybe they feel that's an easier sell on their fanbase. Try to get people to forget they actually have a worse record than the KC Royals right now.

 

[29andPoplar]

Please, please, please, don't go into 2008 with Owens, Pods, or Erstad as a starting outfielder.

 

Fathom, they won't, they are aiming considerably higher.

[LVSoxFan]

I don't know how to feel about this. I like Jermaine Dye just fine, but I thought he would be the #1 trade bait last month, seeing that he can still play (albeit slower), he has power for a team looking for it, he's an OK fielder.

 

I also noticed that when he was not traded, he seemed to have a little more pep in his step. That said, watching him round third and rumble home against Seattle on Elvis Night I thought: man, that guy is not fast. It looked A.J. slow, but not quite hitting the Konerko Slow bottom.

 

And that's what worries me. We seem to have right now a mix of slow-running power hitters (PK, AJ, Dye, Thome), a couple of potential speedsters who can't hit (Pods, Uribe, Owens, etc) and... that almost seems like a zero-sum game.

 

[Dick Allen]

The question is what kind of no trade did he get? He hinted if traded its like he got a 3 year deal. Its $9.5 million next season. If he has a big year, they can trade him for a s***load because he will essentially have 2 years left on his deal. This is a good deal as long as Dye has at least one good season in him.

[southsider2k5]

2008 is a full no trade, and 2009 is to six selected teams according to today's Trib.

[WCSox]

There's no guarantee that anyone remains healthy.

 

Not everyone is coming off of major back surgery. :oldrolleyes

 

I wonder if Crede would be able to get $5 million in arbitration anyway.

 

He cost something like $4.95 million this year, and I've never heard of a player's salary going DOWN via the arbitration process.

 

Of course, that's no guarantee that Joe will be the same, but its a one year deal at half of what you would have to pay a guy on the open market for the same production if Joe is healthy.

 

The Sox already have a third baseman and their only other ML-ready young position players (besides Richar) are outfielders. With over $45 million tied up in the starting rotation and another $30 million or so tied up in the middle of the lineup, they're going to need to put some of those young, cheap guys out there. Kenny isn't going to be able to sign Rowand, trade for Tejada, and make another trade for Rafael Betancourt or Scott Shields in the offseason.

 

If I had it my way, Joe would be the Sox's starting 3B and Fields would be the starting LF next year. But given that there are so many freaking holes to fill on this squad (and not to mention the raises that Mark and JD will be getting), it's difficult to justify paying an extra $5 million for a second third-baseman. If I'm KW, I address LF, SS, and the 'pen before I worry about having money left over for Joe.

Edited August 19, 2007 by WCSox

[Vance Law]

He cost something like $4.95 million this year, and I've never heard of a player's salary going DOWN via the arbitration process.

 

but....

 

Not everyone is coming off of major back surgery.

 

 

[santo=dorf]

Crede is guaranteed $4 million no matter what his situation is. Because of his agent, he's going to ask for a raise. Mark Prior did the exact same thing after last year as well

[Dick Allen]

Crede is guaranteed $4 million no matter what his situation is. Because of his agent, he's going to ask for a raise. Mark Prior did the exact same thing after last year as well

He can ask for a raise but if he goes to arbitration its all going to come down to whose figure is closer to the arbitrator's value of him. He probably settle for a nominal bump from this year's figure.

[BearSox]

just for the record, I think this signing will come back to bite us.

[CWSGuy406]

ML-ready young position players (besides Richar) are outfielders.

 

Who are these guys? Because Jerry Owens and his sub-.600 OPS don't count. And I don't consider Sweeney ML-ready, considering he can't slug .400 in freaking Charlotte.

[Flash Tizzle]

just for the record, I think this signing will come back to bite us.

I'd be shocked if it didn't. I'm sure even Williams recognizes this.

 

It probably came down to the fact that there's no other options within the system, or on the FA market, that you could expect to replace his production without an extended contract.

 

It'll be the same reason Uribe stays next season.

[santo=dorf]

just for the record, I think this signing will come back to bite us.

How so? We're a last place team with a crappy outfield. Before this signing we had nothing locked up for the 2008 outfield. Except for Aaron Rowand

[whitesoxfan101]

If this leads to Dye as the DH and trading Thome to a contender needing a bat/DH for something pretty this offseason like I have a gut feeling it might, people will like this a lot more IMHO.

Edited August 20, 2007 by whitesoxfan101

[BearSox]

How so? We're a last place team with a crappy outfield. Before this signing we had nothing locked up for the 2008 outfield. Except for Aaron Rowand

Because I think Dye will only be a shell of his former 05/06 self. I think 07 Dye is the Dye we will mainly see over the next 2 years.

[RME JICO]

Because I think Dye will only be a shell of his former 05/06 self. I think 07 Dye is the Dye we will mainly see over the next 2 years.

I don't think Dye's dropoff will be that bad. It will be somewhere in between - 30HR/85RBI with a .825 OPS.