Balta1701 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 07:57 PM) I don't think Dye's dropoff will be that bad. It will be somewhere in between - 30HR/85RBI with a .825 OPS. The question is...for this team...is that kind of production worth $11 mil for this team from the DH spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Well he will definitely be in RF at least one of the two years. I'm not penciling him in at DH in 09 either, I think someone else will fill that void. So yes, I think its worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 I'd like to give Ryan Sweeney the same shot as Jerry Owens has gotten. Too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 05:31 PM) It'll be the same reason Uribe stays next season. please be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 02:05 PM) I'd like to give Ryan Sweeney the same shot as Jerry Owens has gotten. Too bad. Unfortunately...Ryan Sweeney has simply shown that right now, he is not ready to be an everyday big league player with his performance this season. Between the recurrence of his wrist problems and the fact that he's actually performing significantly worse this year than last (802 OPS down to 735 this season) he just can't be looked at as ready. If either he or Anderson go play winterball and have some success, go to ST and have success, and then have at least a month or two of success in AAA next year, and I'm talking real good success, high OPS, batting around .300, then maybe you consider giving them a shot if you still have an opening or you can create one (i.e. moving Fields from LF to 3rd if that's where he starts the season). But right now, we do not have another ML ready outfielder in our organization, and it's going to take significant improvement from one of those 2 guys for that to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 02:16 PM) Unfortunately...Ryan Sweeney has simply shown that right now, he is not ready to be an everyday big league player with his performance this season. Between the recurrence of his wrist problems and the fact that he's actually performing significantly worse this year than last (802 OPS down to 735 this season) he just can't be looked at as ready. If either he or Anderson go play winterball and have some success, go to ST and have success, and then have at least a month or two of success in AAA next year, and I'm talking real good success, high OPS, batting around .300, then maybe you consider giving them a shot if you still have an opening or you can create one (i.e. moving Fields from LF to 3rd if that's where he starts the season). But right now, we do not have another ML ready outfielder in our organization, and it's going to take significant improvement from one of those 2 guys for that to change. I hear what you're saying, but Owens didn't look ready to make the jump either. I'm not saying he's going gang busters in the bigs, but he's definitely figuring it out. I guess I'd just like Ryan to get that same shot, despite his performance in AAA. But you're right, if he can bounce back and have a good spring, then he'll improve his chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 05:12 PM) I hear what you're saying, but Owens didn't look ready to make the jump either. I'm not saying he's going gang busters in the bigs, but he's definitely figuring it out. I guess I'd just like Ryan to get that same shot, despite his performance in AAA. But you're right, if he can bounce back and have a good spring, then he'll improve his chances. He didn't look ready, but he has what Ozzie wants...speed. Sweeney is above average and BA...well, I won't even go there. With Pods being worthless and Erstad on the grinder dl...(I know he isn't fast, but he's smart on the basepaths)...Owens was all we had. So, he's gotten a long look. Plus, everyone and their mother knows that Pods won't be ont he Sox next year...so why not look at his possible replacement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 03:12 PM) I hear what you're saying, but Owens didn't look ready to make the jump either. I'm not saying he's going gang busters in the bigs, but he's definitely figuring it out. I guess I'd just like Ryan to get that same shot, despite his performance in AAA. But you're right, if he can bounce back and have a good spring, then he'll improve his chances. There is one big difference between the 2 cases: Owens was at least getting better before he was called up. His OBP in 06 in AAA was .328, it was .361 in Charlotte before his callup. He had his SB %age go from about .75 to about .85 from 06 to 07. Average .260 to .284. Sweeney has gone the opposite direction this year. If he was improving, fine, give him a shot. But he's clearly gone back to the drawing board on a few things, and those things need to be ironed out before you bring him up. And now you throw this wrist injury in on top of things. If nothing else, he's still incredibly young, so we have time with Ryan. Signing JD to an extension bought us at the least 1 more year before we can create an easy opening for him by DHing JD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 05:24 PM) There is one big difference between the 2 cases: Owens was at least getting better before he was called up. His OBP in 06 in AAA was .328, it was .361 in Charlotte before his callup. He had his SB %age go from about .75 to about .85 from 06 to 07. Average .260 to .284. Sweeney has gone the opposite direction this year. Sweeney's BA and SLG were essentially exactly the same as '06 in mid-to-late July. he then went on about a 12 game skid where he didn't hit at all before being DLed, and hasn't hit well since. His OBP and walk rate were up at that time.... The walk rate remains improved over last season, and he appeared patient in his time in the bigs. I don't think it's a question of talent with Sweeney. I think we would have seen continued improvement were he healthy. Sweeney has absolutely been a disappointment this season, but most of that disappointment has been directly tied to his recent health issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 03:40 PM) Sweeney's BA and SLG were essentially exactly the same as '06 in mid-to-late July. he then went on about a 12 game skid where he didn't hit at all before being DLed, and hasn't hit well since. His OBP and walk rate were up at that time.... The walk rate remains improved over last season, and he appeared patient in his time in the bigs. I don't think it's a question of talent with Sweeney. I think we would have seen continued improvement were he healthy. If he hadn't had the injury issue, I'd have probably agreed with you, and I probably wouldn't have a problem with him coming back. But unfortunately, he did get hurt, he has come back according to many reports looking absolutely terrible, and it seems he's made little progress in dealing with the issues even he admitted he had with his swing during his first stint with the big league club. Sweeney may well finally be "ready" sometime next season. But I can't fathom how we could say he's ready now, nor can I say with any confidence that he should have a spot opened for him in the offseason. He has to clearly take another step forwards from this season's numbers before we give him a full time shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 05:46 PM) If he hadn't had the injury issue, I'd have probably agreed with you, and I probably wouldn't have a problem with him coming back. But unfortunately, he did get hurt, he has come back according to many reports looking absolutely terrible, and it seems he's made little progress in dealing with the issues even he admitted he had with his swing during his first stint with the big league club. Sweeney may well finally be "ready" sometime next season. But I can't fathom how we could say he's ready now, nor can I say with any confidence that he should have a spot opened for him in the offseason. He has to clearly take another step forwards from this season's numbers before we give him a full time shot. The injury to Sweeney couldn't have come at a worse time for him. he could very well be getting an on the job audition if he doesn't hurt himself. Instead he has given guys like Fields (in LF at least) and Owens the chance pass him on the depth chart in the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 05:48 PM) The injury to Sweeney couldn't have come at a worse time for him. he could very well be getting an on the job audition if he doesn't hurt himself. Instead he has given guys like Fields (in LF at least) and Owens the chance pass him on the depth chart in the OF. While those guys may have passed him for now, Sweeney is a favorite of both Ozzie and KW. The injury is unfortunate, but unlike some, he'll still get every opportunity to show what he's got. I still think he's going to be a real good player. Edited August 21, 2007 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 03:50 PM) While those guys may have past him for now, Sweeney is a favorite of both Ozzie and KW. The injury is unfortunate, but unlike some, he'll still get every opportunity to show what he's got. I still think he's going to be a real good player. I think many of us think that...but I still contend that it's fairly important not to push the kid too far too fast, esp. with the injury and swing problems of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock4Life Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Jermaine Dye has a full no-trade clause in the first season of his new contract and has a six-team limited clause in year No. 2. from the notes off the ozzie and starting pitchers new ST work-out. did we already know all of this? i wonder who the 6 teams are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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