Mike Myers Signs/ Andy Gonzalez optioned to Charlotte

[beck72]

But what does Myers performance the rest of this season have to do with how he will perform next year? I'd rather get some young guy up who could use some experience and invite Myers to spring training. Swapping out Thornton for Myers does not strengthen the bullpen IMO.

IMO, Myers with a 3.00 ERA who can get lefties out, plus what the sox can get in a trade for Thornton would be >> than thornton with a +5.00 ERA who can't get lefties out.

 

The sox can get a close look at Myers and see if he's a fit for the 2008 bullpen. Additionally, the Sox can use Logan in the 7th, 8th innings vs. lefties and righties--ie, Thorton's role. So Logan gets more experience, which is very important going into 2008. He'd take over as the top LH set up man.

 

Right now, if a young LHP was called up like Vasquez or Reynoso, they'd probably get lit up. They don't seem to have the control or stuff to be anything more than a LOGGY at this point. Yet when rosters expand in Sept, they'll probably get a shot. and Maybe Phillips in a relief role as well.

[Dick Allen]

IMO, Myers with a 3.00 ERA who can get lefties out, plus what the sox can get in a trade for Thornton would be >> than thornton with a +5.00 ERA who can't get lefties out.

 

The sox can get a close look at Myers and see if he's a fit for the 2008 bullpen. Additionally, the Sox can use Logan in the 7th, 8th innings vs. lefties and righties--ie, Thorton's role. So Logan gets more experience, which is very important going into 2008. He'd take over as the top LH set up man.

 

Right now, if a young LHP was called up like Vasquez or Reynoso, they'd probably get lit up. They don't seem to have the control or stuff to be anything more than a LOGGY at this point. Yet when rosters expand in Sept, they'll probably get a shot. and Maybe Phillips in a relief role as well.

Once again I ask what does Myers' performance the rest of this season have anything to do with how he will perform in 2008? Politte and Cotts were good at this time in 2005, what did that mean for 2006? Thornton, MacDougal, Masset, and Aardsma were pretty good the final month or so of 2006, what did that translate to in 2007? The Sox should give their young pitchers the innings they are giving Myers to get some experience. Myers should take some time off, and the Sox should have invited him to spring training.

[SkokieSox]

Once again I ask what does Myers' performance the rest of this season have anything to do with how he will perform in 2008? Politte and Cotts were good at this time in 2005, what did that mean for 2006? Thornton, MacDougal, Masset, and Aardsma were pretty good the final month or so of 2006, what did that translate to in 2007? The Sox should give their young pitchers the innings they are giving Myers to get some experience. Myers should take some time off, and the Sox should have invited him to spring training.

 

And let the guy rust over until ST of 08? He still needs to be out there if you expect him to contribute, even next year.

[Dick Allen]

And let the guy rust over until ST of 08? He still needs to be out there if you expect him to contribute, even next year.

That wouldn't matter. What should happen is instead of bringing in Myers to face lefties, maybe try a few righties, who knows they may get a couple out and convince the manager that a pitcher throwing well out of the bullpen doesn't have to be a closer to face batters from both sides of the plate. I am happy they got rid of Gonzalez for a week. I think they should either bring back Aardsma or Masset. I just think if you want to look at Myers for next season which is what this is, how he throws in spring training would be a far better indicator of where he'll be at next season than what he does now, especially if he's a guy who would be pitching for a job.

Edited August 21, 2007 by Dick Allen

[Dick Allen]

But this is basically what the Sox are doing, which is why I laugh when people get so upset about the move.

 

You say the innings pitchers throw now mean NOTHING for 2008, so then why are you so concerned about the innings Myers is said to be taking away from Logan,Thornton and others? They don't mean anything, right?

 

This signing is just a "Pre-Spring Training Invite". If Myers has nothing left, they cut him loose, don't bring him back in 2008. He shows he has something left in the tank, you pick up the option, and see what he brings for 2008.

Then you are on the hook for his guarantee no matter what he shows you in the spring. Make him make the team next year. Myers has experience, the Sox have plenty of guys who could use a little. The big difference is you wouldn't be basing whether or not a guy would be a member of the 2008 White Sox based on their performance like you would be for Myers.

Edited August 22, 2007 by Dick Allen

[beck72]

Then you are on the hook for his guarantee no matter what he shows you in the spring. Make him make the team next year. Myers has experience, the Sox have plenty of guys who could use a little. The big difference is you wouldn't be basing whether or not a guy would be a member of the 2008 White Sox based on their performance like you would be for Myers.

Ozzie was quoted as saying he'd like to add some veteran experience to his young bullpen. Experience means more than just innings. It's playoff experience. The sox pen, outside of Jenks in 2005, is sorely lacking that.

 

As far as why Myers now--Myers has been pretty consistent and effective over his career. The sox get a trial run for peanuts to see if he still has that consistency and effectiveness, before they are locked into a full year of him.

[RockRaines]

Boone Logan is our #1 Loogy anyway. Myers is just an afterthought and Thorton could be great trade fodder.

[Dick Allen]

Ozzie was quoted as saying he'd like to add some veteran experience to his young bullpen. Experience means more than just innings. It's playoff experience. The sox pen, outside of Jenks in 2005, is sorely lacking that.

 

As far as why Myers now--Myers has been pretty consistent and effective over his career. The sox get a trial run for peanuts to see if he still has that consistency and effectiveness, before they are locked into a full year of him.

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Myers has an 8.31 playoff ERA with an WHIP over 2.00. Yeah, he's the answer. How much playoff experience did the Sox have in 2005? I'd be willing to bet the 2006 team and the 2007 team had more and exactly were did that leave them? Tell me what would be the difference between watching Myers now and having to make a decision and watching him next spring and having to make a decision? I would rather have the second option and if its not available I would not lose any sleep over it. The guy is done at least for 2007. The problem is the Sox will have to make decision quickly and maybe he will bounce back at least a little bit next year. It really was a stupid signing, one that was meant for season ticketholders to see so they would renew, even though it was cheap.

[Balta1701]

Myers has an 8.31 playoff ERA with an WHIP over 2.00. Yeah, he's the answer. How much playoff experience did the Sox have in 2005? I'd be willing to bet the 2006 team and the 2007 team had more and exactly were did that leave them? Tell me what would be the difference between watching Myers now and having to make a decision and watching him next spring and having to make a decision? I would rather have the second option and if its not available I would not lose any sleep over it. The guy is done at least for 2007. The problem is the Sox will have to make decision quickly and maybe he will bounce back at least a little bit next year. It really was a stupid signing, one that was meant for season ticketholders to see so they would renew, even though it was cheap.

Pretty simple to my eyes. If we have decided we need 1 additional lefty in the bullpen...now is a good tryout time. You actually get to face big league hitters and aren't fooled by people not being ready in the spring. If he's done for 2007, then there's really no reason to bring him back for the regular season next year.

[BearSox]

can we DFA him already?

[elrockinMT]

Two games so far with Myers and no success. However, maybe he just needs time to get back in shape?

[Dick Allen]

Two games so far with Myers and no success. However, maybe he just needs time to get back in shape?

I think he's showing why the Yankees released him and no contending teams desperate for relievers picked him up.

[knightni]

He must be giving something away with his delivery.

[BearSox]

He must be giving something away with his delivery.

That only applies to pitchers with good stuff and get knocked around. Myers has nothing.

[santo=dorf]

He can't be much worse then some of the pitchers we already have.

Yet here we are, 14 innings later, and he's only better than Dewon Day.

 

This is yet another "Hellen Keller" move made by the Sox this year.

[Greg The Bull Luzinski]

Yet here we are, 14 innings later, and he's only better than Dewon Day.

 

This is yet another "Hellen Keller" move made by the Sox this year.

 

Santo, you scared the hell out of me when I saw this thread bumped up. I thought we actually signed this slug to a longer deal.

[greg775]

I think he's showing why the Yankees released him and no contending teams desperate for relievers picked him up.

 

Exactly, Dick Allen. Hopefully KW will realize the guy is a slug and eat the contract.

I truly believe I could get a base hit off Myers.

Yes, I'm a righthanded hitter.

[NorthSideSox72]

Yet here we are, 14 innings later, and he's only better than Dewon Day.

 

This is yet another "Hellen Keller" move made by the Sox this year.

This was actually a good move at the time. He failed, now the team moves on. But given the condition of the pen at that point, and his previous experience, there was really zero harm in the move, and some possible good.

 

The only "Helen Keller" thing would be if, after this little try-out, they take his option for 2008. That would be stupid.

 

[EvilMonkey]

This was actually a good move at the time. He failed, now the team moves on. But given the condition of the pen at that point, and his previous experience, there was really zero harm in the move, and some possible good.

 

The only "Helen Keller" thing would be if, after this little try-out, they take his option for 2008. That would be stupid.

I agree.

[fathom]

The Tribune makes it sound like the Sox want to bring Myers back for next year. This is going to be a long offseason.

[spiderman]

I don't think the White Sox are going to overhaul their bullpen this off-season. We may see another veteran added, or maybe some more young arms acquired for competition, but it looks like we could have:

 

Bobby Jenks

Mike MacDougle - he's under contract

Matt Thorton - he's under contract

Mike Myers - he's been ok vs lefties, and the White Sox want some more experience in the pen next season

Wassermann - most don't believe he's for real, but he'll be in the mix in camp

 

Then we have a collection of maybe's in guys like Boone Logan, Nick Masset (who's now a starter), H.Phillips, Aardsma, Buckvich...

 

I think, depending on Wassermann and Myers, we will have 2 or 3 spots open for competition/free agency/trades....

 

I can see a Garland trade where they get an experienced bullpen arm back, and then maybe some other moves where more competition is added, but I really can't see a brand new bullpen next season.

 

I'd be satisfied if they can land a dependable setup option with experience, but it's hard to predict what these guys can do year to year, so even that's a difficult thing to acquire.

[Balta1701]

Bobby Jenks

Mike MacDougle - he's under contract

Matt Thorton - he's under contract

Mike Myers - he's been ok vs lefties, and the White Sox want some more experience in the pen next season

Wassermann - most don't believe he's for real, but he'll be in the mix in camp

I don't think I can put into words how silly it would seem to me to be to put Mike Myers into next year's bullpen ahead of Boone Logan as our LOOGY with the way each of them has performed this year and the cost associated with both of them.

[spiderman]

I don't think I can put into words how silly it would seem to me to be to put Mike Myers into next year's bullpen ahead of Boone Logan as our LOOGY with the way each of them has performed this year and the cost associated with both of them.

 

They would probably tell you that Myers brings experience, and is strictly a specialst. Logan can make the team if he earns it.

[Balta1701]

They would probably tell you that Myers brings experience, and is strictly a specialst. Logan can make the team if he earns it.

All I have to say to that is:

 

.288 .355 .385 .740

.229 .302 .301 .603

 

Those are the splits of the 2 guys in question this season against left handers.

[spiderman]

All I have to say to that is:

 

.288 .355 .385 .740

.229 .302 .301 .603

 

Those are the splits of the 2 guys in question this season against left handers.

 

Myers, 38, has limited left-handed hitters to a .222 batting average (6-for-27). In his 55 games with the New York Yankees, left-handers batted .312 against him before he was released.

 

The White Sox only care about what Myers has done for them as a lefty specialist.

 

I think his performance here will outweigh his struggles with the Yankees this season.