Spiff Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 Originally posted by coolpapaEminem a genius? Wow, takes alot of grey matter to come up his masterpieces. For a definition of genius, check Warren Zevon or Bob Dylan. haha bob dylan Dylan couldn't freestyle. There are not many people who can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 17, 2002 Author Share Posted November 17, 2002 Bob Dylan and the Beatles, they are great. No....not great, but exceptional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 Beatles, Dylan, certainly genius. So are Neil Young and Joni Mitchell. Warren Zevon is an exceptional talent, who we will lose shortly, sadly. Eminem is certainly genius. Those who knock rap don't realize the work effort and musicanship that goes into rap, and Em not only has the work ethic in supreme, he he unparalled as a wordsmith. Deifferent genres of music require different things. Em is real talent, the real thing, whether one appreciates the art form or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike South24 Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 Originally posted by CubKilla Originally posted by Mike South24Do you people really bu into the whole "I lived a rough life , I 'm a thug" bulls***? Remember the last white rapper who thought he was black? Vanilla Ice! The guy who said he grew up in a black area in the projects . Turns out he grew up in a rich area with white people. Eminem is all about getting atention and he's done it well. I just dont buy into it. Don't let the false hatred fool you Sox fans. Mike South is the AUTHORITY on Vanilla Ice. :metal HA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 Originally posted by witesoxfanbaggs, the one song I'm aware of that he does that in is the song called "I'm Back." He suggets that if his mother was Jennifer Lopez he'd do it. Chorus: Eminem (repeat 4X) That's why they call me Slim Shady (I'm Back) I'm Back (I'm Back) [sLIM SHADY!] I'm Back [Eminem] I murder a rhyme one word at a time You never, heard of a mind as perverted as mine You better, get rid of that nine, it ain't gonna help What good's it gonna do against a man that strangles himself? I'm waitin for hell like hell s*** I'm anxious as hell Manson, you're safe in that cell, be thankful it's jail I used to be my mommy's little angel at twelve Thirteen I was puttin shells in a gauge on a shelf I used to, get punked and bullied on my block 'til I cut a kitten's head off and stuck it in this kid's mailbox {"Mom! MOM!"} I used to give a - f***, now I could give a f*** less What do I think of suc-cess? It sucks, too much press I'm stressed Too much stares two breasts, too upset It's just too much mess, I guess I must just blew up quick (yes) Grew up quick (no) was raised right Whatever you say is wrong, whatever I say is right You think of my name now whenever you say, "Hi" Became a commodity because I'm W-H-I- -T-E, cuz MTV was so friendly to me Can't wait 'til Kim sees me Now is it worth it? Look at my life, how is it perfect? Read my lips b****, what, my mouth isn't workin? You hear this finger? Oh it's upside down Here, let me turn this motherf***er up right now Chorus [Eminem] I take each individual degenerate's head and reach into it just to see if he's influenced by me if he listens to music And if he feeds into this s*** he's an innocent victim and becomes a puppet on the string of my tennis shoe {*vocal scratches*} My name is Slim Shady I been crazy way before radio didn't play me The sensational {*vocal scratch "Back is the incredible!"*} With Ken Kaniff, who just finds the men edible It's Ken Kaniff on the, internet Tryin to, lure your kids with him, into bed It's a, sick world we live in these days "Slim for Pete's sakes put down Christopher Reeve's legs!" Geez, you guys are so sensitive "Slim it's a touchy subject, try and just don't mention it" Mind with no sense in it, fried to get so frenetic whose eyes get so squinted, I'm blind from smokin 'em with my windows tinted, with nine limos rented Doin lines of coke in 'em, with a bunch of guys hoppin out all high and indo scented {*inhales, exhales*} And that's where I get my name from, that's why they call me Chorus [Eminem] I take seven [----] from [---------], stand 'em all in line Add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine a Mack-11 and it oughta solve the problem of mine and that's a whole school of bullies shot up all at one time Cause (I'mmmm) Shady, they call me as crazy as the world was over this whole Y2K thing And by the way, N'Sync, why do they sing? Am I the only one who realizes they stink? Should I dye my hair pink and care what y'all think? Lip sync and buy a bigger size of earrings? It's why I tend to block out when I hear things Cause all these fans screamin is makin my ears ring (AHHHH!!!) So I just, throw up a middle finger and let it linger longer than the rumor that I was stickin it to Christina Cause if I ever stuck it to any singer in showbiz it'd be Jennifer Lopez, and Puffy you know this! I'm sorry Puff, but I don't give a f*** if this chick was my own mother I still f*** her with no rubber and cum inside her and have a son and a new brother at the same time and just say that it ain't mine, what's my name? Chorus [Eminem {*vocal scratching*}] Guess who's b-back, back Gue-gue-guess who's back (Hi mom!) {*scratch*} Guess who's back {*scratch*} Gue {*scratch*} guess who's back D-12 {*scratch*} Guess who's back Gue, gue-gue-gue, guess who's back Dr. Dre {*scratch*} Guess who's back Back back {*scratch*} back {*scratch*} Slim Shady, 2001 I'm blew out from this blunt (*sighs*) f*** Obviously you have access to the lyrics of each of his songs. Why don't you post the one where he talks about killing his wife and then tell his daughter things like "that's only ketchup on mommy's shirt..." My wife liked his music up until she heard that song. As for me, I can take or leave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 Bob Dylan exceptional? I must have missed the bus on that one :puke The Beatles are the definition of exceptional though. I can't think of one group with so much influence in all of Rock and Roll. The true genius of the Beatles is that much of the music..... lyrically, structurally, and symbolically is still relevant today. And that includes much of McCartney's, Lennon's, and Harrison's solo stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 P.S. Eminem won't be relevant 40+ years from now like the Beatles are. GUARANTEED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 I do believe that Em will be relevant 40 years from now, but no way we can prove that now! Some referenced the song Kim. Take that song of context at face value on that album and it sounds horrible. You can do that with a lot of things - Wagner's operas, Bob Marley and Eric Clapton singing "I shot the sheriff." Em makes the point very clearly about who is in massive need of help - the one who commits violence. That song graphically and accurately portrays the escalation of domestic violence, but it does not advocate it, any more than Oliver Stone advocated mass murder in Natural Born Killers, or Bret Perry Ellis advocated torture and murder in American Psycho, or Picasso advocated war in Guerrnica. I just came back from court getting PPOs on an asshole who beats up on women. I wish he would listen to Eminem because Em is clear on who is doing wrong here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjav829 Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 Originally posted by Iwritecode Obviously you have access to the lyrics of each of his songs. Why don't you post the one where he talks about killing his wife and then tell his daughter things like "that's only ketchup on mommy's shirt..." My wife liked his music up until she heard that song. As for me, I can take or leave it. [Eminem] Aww look at daddy's baby girl That's daddy baby Little sleepy head Yesterday I changed your diaper Wiped you and powdered you. How did you get so big? Can't believe it now your two Baby you're so precious Daddy's so proud of you Sit down b**** If you move again I'll beat the s*** out of you [Eminem](Eminem as Kim) (Okay) Don't make me wake this baby She don't need to see what I'm about to do Quit crying b****, why do you always make me shout at you? How could you? Just leave me and love him out the blue Oh, what's a matter Kim? Am I too loud for you? Too bad b****, your gonna finally hear me out this time At first, I'm like all right You wanna throw me out? That's fine! But not for him to take my place, are you out you're mind? This couch, this TV, this whole house is mine! How could you let him sleep in our bed? Look at Kim Look at your husband now! (No!) I said look at him! He ain't so hot now is he? Little punk! (Why are you doing this?) Shut the f*** up! (You're drunk! You're never going to get away at this!) You think I give a f***! Come on we're going for a ride b**** (No!) Sit up front (Well I can't just leave Haley alone, what if she wakes up?) We'll be right back Well I will you'll be in the trunk 1 - So long, b**** you did me so wrong I don't wanna go on Living in this world without you Repeat 1 You really f***ed me Kim You really did a number on me Never knew me cheating on you would come back to haunt me But we was kids then Kim, I was only 18 That was years ago I thought we wiped the slate clean That's f***ed up! (I love you!) Oh God my brain is racing (I love you!) What are you doing? Change the station I hate this song! Does this look like a big joke? (No!) There's a four year old boy lyin' dead with a slit throat In your living room, ha-ha What you think I'm kiddin' you? You loved him didn't you? (No!) Bulls*** you b**** don't f***ing lie to me What the f***'s this guy's problem on the side of me? f*** you asshole, yeah bite me Kim, KIM! Why don't you like me? You think I'm ugly don't you (It's not that!) No you think I'm ugly (Baby) Get the f*** away from me, don't touch me I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU! I SWEAR TO GOD I HATE YOU OH MY GOD I LOVE YOU How the f*** could you do this to me? (Sorry!) How the f*** could you do this to me? Repeat 1 (2x) Come on get out (I can't I'm scared) I said get out b****! (Let go of my hair, please don't do this baby) (Please I love you, look we can just take Haley and leave) f*** you, you did this to us You did it, it's your fault Oh my God I'm crackin' up Get a grip Marshall Hey remember the time we went to Brian's party? And you were like so drunk that you threw up all over Archie That was funny wasn't it? (Yes!) That was funny wasn't it? (Yes!) See it all makes sense, doesn't it? You and your husband have a fight One of you tries to grab a knife And during the struggle he accidentally gets his Adam's apple sliced (No!) And while this is goin' on His son just woke up and he just walks in She panics and he gets his throat cut (Oh my God!) So now they both dead and you slash your own throat So now it's double homicide and suicide with no note I should have known better when you started to act weird We could've...HEY! Where you going? Get back here! You can't run from me Kim It's just us, nobody else! You're only making this harder on yourself Ha! Ha! Got'cha! (Ahh!) Ha! Go ahead yell! Here I'll scream with you! AH SOMEBODY HELP! Don't you get it b****, no one can hear you? Now shut the f*** up and get what's comin to you You were supposed to love me {*Kim choking*} NOW BLEED! b**** BLEED! BLEED! b**** BLEED! BLEED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 and don;t forget verse 4 of Stan: Dear Stan, I meant to write you sooner, but I've just been busy. You said your girlfriend's pregnant now, how far along is she? Look, I'm really flattered you would call your daughter that. And here's an autograph for your brother: I wrote it on your Starter cap. I'm sorry I didn't see you at the show, I must have missed you. Don't think I did that s*** intentionally, just to diss you. And what's this s*** you said about you like to cut your wrists too? I say that s*** just clownin' dawg, c'mon, how f***ed up is you? You got some issues, Stan, I think you need some counselin' To help your ass from bouncin' off the walls when you get down some. And what's this s*** about us meant to be together? That type of s***'ll make me not want us to meet each other. I really think you and your girlfriend need each other. Or maybe you just need to treat her better. I hope you get to read this letter. I just hope it reaches you in time. Before you hurt yourself, I think that you'd be doin' just fine If you'd relax a little. I'm glad that I inspire you, but Stan Why are you so mad? Try to understand that I do want you as a fan. I just don't want you to do some crazy s***. I seen this one s*** on the news a couple weeks ago that made me sick. Some dude was drunk and drove his car over a bridge And had his girlfriend in the trunk and she was pregnant with his kid And in the car they found a tape but it didn't say who it was to Come to think about it...his name was...it was you. DAMN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjav829 Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Originally posted by cwsoxand don;t forget verse 4 of Stan: What about it? Stan is a clean song. Hes just showing how crazy some fans can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleM23 Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Originally posted by CubKillaP.S. Eminem won't be relevant 40+ years from now like the Beatles are. GUARANTEED! Oh yes he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Originally posted by Jjav829 Originally posted by cwsoxand don;t forget verse 4 of Stan: What about it? Stan is a clean song. Hes just showing how crazy some fans can get. That's his whole point. People take his lyrics too seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Originally posted by cwsoxf*** the Detroit rap scene? f*** 8 Mile? f*** Eminem? Sorry it all is not good enough for you. I think I am going to get out my South Park sountrack albums and play f*** Canada! Each to his own! It's blame Canada, I'm listening to it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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