Rangers vs White Sox

[Dick Allen]

6 IP, 8 H, 3 BB, 2 K's, 3 ER

 

Another mediocre outing from a mediocre pitcher who isn't getting paid like he's mediocre.

When Gavin Floyd does that, people get excited. Garland gets a lot of money for what he is. I'd be shocked if he's a White Sox next year. KW had the right idea dumping him last season, he just held out for a little too much, now he will have to settle for something along the lines of what he got for Garcia, maybe less, because Garland makes more, will be coming off a less successful year, and has complained of a knot in his shoulder.

[daa84]

Funny what a difference a year makes. Brian Anderson has on OBP of .290 and he can't hit a lick, defense be damned. Josh Fields has an OBP of .290, he's a future star and a ROY candidate.

he also hit 9 fewer homers in 80 more ABs

[Dick Allen]

he also hit 9 fewer homers in 80 more ABs

He also is a better defender by quite a bit.

[Kalapse]

Funny what a difference a year makes. Brian Anderson has on OBP of .290 and he can't hit a lick, defense be damned. Josh Fields has an OBP of .290, he's a future star and a ROY candidate.

Fields' SLG is over 100 points higher than '06 Anderson and his OPS+ is 30 points higher -- 65 for BA and 95 for JF -- (which is a BIG difference.)

[Dick Allen]

Fields' SLG is over 100 points higher than '06 Anderson and his OPS+ is 30 points higher -- 65 for BA and 95 for JF -- (which is a BIG difference.)

I thought people on this board didn't like the all or nothing approach? Isn't Fields probably the most extreme all or nothing hitter on the team?

[daa84]

He also is a better defender by quite a bit.

inconsequential given the fact that fields would have 13 or so more HR in the same number of ABs.....also josh fields never hit .255 at AAA with a .318 obp

[Kalapse]

I thought people on this board didn't like the all or nothing approach? Isn't Fields probably the most extreme all or nothing hitter on the team?

It depends on what "people" you're talking about because I'm certainly not one of them.

[Dick Allen]

inconsequential given the fact that fields would have 13 or so more HR in the same number of ABs.....also josh fields never hit .255 at AAA with a .318 obp

I'm just concerned about Fields strikeouts. He's at 100 in 284 AB, and his walk rate is going down. Only 4 in his last 108 AB. His power has been nice, and I wouldn't mind him fanning 175-200 times a season if he also walked 90-110 times and hit 35-40 homers. He seemed to coax walks a lot better earlier. Maybe they found something that he will go after. Hawk mentioned that he will learn to lay off certain pitches and that may be true, but it can't be automatic.

[daa84]

I thought people on this board didn't like the all or nothing approach? Isn't Fields probably the most extreme all or nothing hitter on the team?

not everyone here is totally against the all or nothing approach...in addition you have to accept the guys you have for what they are....not to mention fields minor league track record (much like that of chris young, which has been well talked about on this board) suggests he will draw more walks and his obp and probably average will increase.....either way id wayyyy rather have fields who is an all or nothing guy and actually gets the HR here and there vs. anderson who was also an all or nothing guy and barely ever hit he ball outa the park

[daa84]

I'm just concerned about Fields strikeouts. He's at 100 in 284 AB, and his walk rate is going down. Only 4 in his last 108 AB. His power has been nice, and I wouldn't mind him fanning 175-200 times a season if he also walked 90-110 times and hit 35-40 homers. He seemed to coax walks a lot better earlier. Maybe they found something that he will go after. Hawk mentioned that he will learn to lay off certain pitches and that may be true, but it can't be automatic.

def. agree with you here...fields will certainly have to learn better pitch recognition...im ok with the high Ks, as long as they come with their walks....i honestly think fields may have gotten in love with his own power and is chasing after pitches too often lookin for the long ball

[Vance Law]

I thought people on this board didn't like the all or nothing approach? Isn't Fields probably the most extreme all or nothing hitter on the team?

 

I wasn't saying what I like. I was opining on where I think he ranks in the ROY voting. and Uribe is certainly worse than Fields in that regard.

 

Using your terminology and standards, Anderson, last year, was nothing or nothing. Which is worse than all or nothing.

Looking at the stats, all of the rookies on the team this year are nothing or nothing besides Fields.

 

Presumably, as his minor league stats show, Fields will be able to bring up his ba and obp.

 

[daa84]

lets see how we can mess this prime scoring opportunity up

[Dick Allen]

not everyone here is totally against the all or nothing approach...in addition you have to accept the guys you have for what they are....not to mention fields minor league track record (much like that of chris young, which has been well talked about on this board) suggests he will draw more walks and his obp and probably average will increase.....either way id wayyyy rather have fields who is an all or nothing guy and actually gets the HR here and there vs. anderson who was also an all or nothing guy and barely ever hit he ball outa the park

I'm not saying Anderson is a better hitter than Fields. I'd rather have Fields at the plate myself. I just don't understand how one is just crap and the other destined for stardom. I think there was a pretty good chance Anderson's power and OBP and average would increase over his rookie season as well. Maybe he does have an attitude problem, but it can't be too easy breaking in with the defending champion, trying to repeat.

[daa84]

did they stop throwing curve balls in the minors? cuz it looks like our young guys have never seen one in their lives.....

[fathom]

I must be the only person, it seems like, who's not a fan of Richar.

[Dick Allen]

I must be the only person, it seems like, who's not a fan of Richar.

No, predictably I'm with you on that one. He may be the most liked .190 hitter I've ever seen though.

[Gregory Pratt]

I must be the only person, it seems like, who's not a fan of Richar.

 

Let's put it this way: he's been better than I expected.

 

And of course, DA concurs.

Edited August 30, 2007 by Gregory Pratt

[TheBigHurt]

Boy, do we have some "young talent" or what?

 

This has been an absolutely brutal game. Just watching Fields in LF has been a headache (I really don't get why everyone thinks it's such a good idea. Stupid if you ask me). Richar and Owens contributed two of the worst swings (or just the at-bats entirely) I've ever seen watching baseball (yes, worse than any swing I can recall Uribe taking, at least in a long time) IN THE SAME INNING.

 

Yeesh.

Edited August 30, 2007 by TheBigHurt

[daa84]

I must be the only person, it seems like, who's not a fan of Richar.

im starting to become a serious skeptic....like most others i want to believe in him...and he has had some good ABs....but its getting to the point where he is starting to develop a decent sample size at the major league level....this isnt to say he cant become a productive hitter...but im starting to be a bit more skeptical than i was before

 

what i really dont understand though are the owens believers...even if he has 20 SBs

Edited August 30, 2007 by daa84

[fathom]

im starting to become a serious skeptic....like most others i want to believe in him...and he has had some good ABs....but its getting to the point where he is starting to develop a decent sample size at the major league level....this isnt to say he cant become a productive hitter...but im starting to be a bit more skeptical than i was before

 

what i really dont understand though are the owens believers...even if he has 20 SBs

 

It just seems like Richar would ground out 400 times in a season if he got 600 at-bats. He's fast, but not fast enouh where he's going to beat out enough infield choppers to get a batting average like Juan Pierre, etc. Basically, I'm sick of slap hitters, and want legitimate big league hitters that can get more than 20 extra base hits in a season.

[The Ginger Kid]

Boy, do we have some "young talent" or what?

 

This has been an absolutely brutal game. Just watching Fields in LF has been a headache (I really don't get why everyone thinks it's such a good idea. Stupid if you ask me). Richar and Owens contributed two of the worst swings (or just the at-bats entirely) I've ever seen watching baseball (yes, worse than any swing I can recall Uribe taking, at least in a long time) IN THE SAME INNING.

 

Yeesh.

this is a good season for those guys to be up in those situations and - hopefully - learn from their mistakes.

[Dick Allen]

this is a good season for those guys to be up in those situations and - hopefully - learn from their mistakes.

But the question is, do they learn from their mistakes or is this what they are? If the Sox are legitimately trying to win next year, which seems like they are, Owens and Richar based on this year's performance not only should not be starting, they should have to fight to make the team.

[Vance Law]

I'm not saying Anderson is a better hitter than Fields. I'd rather have Fields at the plate myself. I just don't understand how one is just crap and the other destined for stardom. I think there was a pretty good chance Anderson's power and OBP and average would increase over his rookie season as well. Maybe he does have an attitude problem, but it can't be too easy breaking in with the defending champion, trying to repeat.

 

His 17 homers in less than 300 at bats. That's the thing. That's a really hard thing to do. On pace for 35 in a year. Lots of guys can hit 11 or 12 homers in a year. Few can hit 35 and that's a really useful thing to do.

 

I'm not saying Anderson could never be good. Maybe he can. If he hadn't injured his wrist this year and instead hit well in AAA, he would have been up with the team for a good chunk of the year. If he's going to be good in the majors, he'll have to show that in AAA once he's healthy.

 

[max power]

The dreaded lead off walk.

 

 

Has josh really been that bad in LF? No, I haven't been watching lately.

[3E8]

No, predictably I'm with you on that one. He may be the most liked .190 hitter I've ever seen though.

And you were optimistic about Anderson? Do you remember his line through 85 ABs?