DrunkBomber Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Wheres Ashton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 04:18 PM) Oh, and Tony. I'd love to hear your expertise chime in here... Why is it a good idea to extend the manager of the most underachieving team in baseball history's contract? You deserved to get flamed for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 (edited) Can anyone remember the last time a manager had the worst record in baseball and got a contract extension, if ever? Edited September 11, 2007 by WhiteSoxfan1986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 So Bruce Levine was right about all this extension talk. Reinsdorf's son Michael has been heavily involved in stadium development deals in other cities although I believe the firm he works for is based in the Chicago area. Jerry Reinsdorf will be 76 in 2012 and it seems logical if he's thinking that's a good age to kick back and relax. I do not know about succession planning with the Board of Directors and investors but I presume they already have a plan in place, just in case something unforeseen happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 06:47 PM) http://tampabay.devilrays.mlb.com/news/pre...jsp&c_id=tb 3 days ago. LOL, I forgot about that. At least with Maddon they didn't really underacheive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(Soxfest @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 04:49 PM) On AM1000 Mac, Jurko, Harry and Levineline were saying that JR is saying this is his last management team and that after Ozzie and Kenny he is riding off into the sunset and handing the team off to his son. Can anyone find a JR quote to this effect? Or is it just Levine throwing stuff out there to see what sticks? If JR said something to this effect, this is much more interesting than just the contract extension. Other than the handing him the team part, I would agree with Levine's assesment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 05:45 PM) If Ozzie deserves an extension now, then he deserved it at the beginning of the season. Even if he is completely blameless for this season, he still hasn't proven anything. The only reason I can think of to give this extension now is to make a statement, some statement, which is a terrible way to run a team. Not really. If that statement is based on perception that Ozzie is being tuned out by the vets...it's letting the team know that Ozzie is here to stay and if they have a problem with it...get with the program or voice your displeasure and we'll see where we can send you. Do I agree with that. Yes. The other reason could be for stability and not having that, "will Ozzie be fired" tone the whole offseason...which would probably not be a good pitch for potential FAs. Stability is a good thing. Stagnation is not. And this team is completely stagnant. Again...I'm not saying I agree with the decision at all....just voicing some reasons why it possibly happened at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I wouldn't mind this extension; if it were 2008 and we were witness to another White Sox season under Guillen. It just doesn't fit together. Three additional seasons added onto his current deal just seems like quite a long time to assume his stinct ("gut" decisions, seemingly favoring players, explosive personality) holds up. I just can't shake this feeling extending Guillen is, in some small way, management sticking their tongues out at everyone who had begun to seriously question Guillen's future. It isn't based upon anything tangible, other than the odd timing during this dismal season. It could and should have waited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Ozzie and Kenny for several more years *sighs*....time to bunker down and prepare for the dark ages. At least it sounds like all 3 of the stooges (JR, Kenny, Ozzie) will be gone by 2012, so I guess that's not too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Jerry loves having Ozzie as his manager, you could always tell that. This is a good way to take a little heat off of Ozzie in the respect that they(the media) wont be coming down on him about being on the hot seat and losing his job. I have no idea, im grasping at straws. the timing is wierd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Impossible! Bruce Levine sucks! He reports garbage and is never right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Great. WCIU broadcasted an interview with Williams on the timing of his extension, and he said it was to prove to everyone in their clubhouse they're not done competing. Tell-tale sign, if nothing else would suffice, that we're not rebuilding. Hell, I wonder if the extensions means we'll EVER rebuild under Guillen. As others have said, and I tend to agree, I don't believe he's a rebuilding manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Couple of things... 1) Those not understanding the timing of this extension...surely, you jest. This is called buying low. This is economics 101 and it is certainly a White Sox hallmark. If believed that Ozzie was not the problem this year and that the White Sox can once again compete for the pennant under his guidance, the board was smart to lock up their man when he asking price was presumably at its lowest. 2) The short-sightedness is staggering. Anyone with at least a half-refined baseball acumen knows Ozzie Guillen was not the problem for the 2007 White Sox. Was he at his best? No. I'll admit it appeared at times that Guillen had his head a bit too far out in front of his skis...paling in comparison to Williams' performance. I don't think this season was due to a lack of trying OR a lack of proper managing--it was due to lack of talent and lack of execution. This is a fine move and a positive one for the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Two thousand AND TWELVE?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 04:12 PM) Franchise threatening deal. Yes it is. This move is incomprehensible and fraught with danger. Reinsdorf can be a stubborn, vindictive man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(ChiSox35 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) I think they should have fired him in the middle of the World Series!!!111!one1 Some people need to take a deep breath, and reach deep to pull that copy of Moneyball out of their ass. A WS title in a wire to wire season, followed by a 90 win season? Not good enough. I never read Moneyball, and I don't care much for Billy Beane. I also don't care for the fact that the Sox are 95-126 since July 6 of last year. There was no reason to give this manager any extension at all, let alone one this long. This is vintage Jerry Reinsdorf digging in his heels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 I just heard. Happy day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 NICE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Why was this necessary? How could this be "buying low" if we don't even know how much he signed for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(Wanne @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 07:54 PM) Not really. If that statement is based on perception that Ozzie is being tuned out by the vets...it's letting the team know that Ozzie is here to stay and if they have a problem with it...get with the program or voice your displeasure and we'll see where we can send you. Do I agree with that. Yes. The other reason could be for stability and not having that, "will Ozzie be fired" tone the whole offseason...which would probably not be a good pitch for potential FAs. Stability is a good thing. Stagnation is not. And this team is completely stagnant. Again...I'm not saying I agree with the decision at all....just voicing some reasons why it possibly happened at this time. Ugh... I still hate those reasons as "statements". If the vets as a group are tuning him out, then it's time for Ozzie to go. Wasn't Reinsdorf's praise of Ozzie based on the idea that the players are still playing hard for him? And I really doubt that many free agents will join one of the worst teams in the majors just because they 'know' Ozzie will be around for a while. My impression is that free agents want to get paid and want to win. If the Sox win, Ozzie will stay anyway. If they don't, they'd want to stick with a loser just because the manager isn't changing? No, it's not a big deal either way. But I want to see a club sign someone because he's the best manager/coach/player/scout/gm/whatever, not because signing him 'shows' something. I just hate that philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadChiSoxFanOptimist Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 In signing Ozzie to a long term contract, we stayed dumb (and dumber...) and failed to improve our leadership with this rotten move. A perfect compliment to getting older and slower, as we have with our resigning of Dye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Can anyone remember the last time a manager had the worst record in baseball and got a contract extension, if ever? Uh, he won a World Series two years ago in a city that simply DOES NOT win World Series. He deserved the extension. How soon we forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 10:29 PM) Uh, he won a World Series two years ago in a city that simply DOES NOT win World Series. He deserved the extension. How soon we forget. KW should also be given an extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 KW doesn't need an extension. He's not going anywhere, either. Reinsdorf made that clear. Who would you rather have, Oz, Girardi or Piniella? I'd take Oz. Give him a good bullpen and 2-3 improvements in the actual lineup and he'll win again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Can anyone here seriously blame Ozzie for this season? I like the extension, but I do think the timing is a little early. I don't understand all the Oz hate on here. I would focus my hate on Pods, Count, Erstad, Dye, Konerko, anybody besides Jenks in the bullpen, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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