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QUOTE(redandwhite @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 04:18 PM)
Oh, and Tony. I'd love to hear your expertise chime in here...

 

Why is it a good idea to extend the manager of the most underachieving team in baseball history's contract?

 

 

You deserved to get flamed for that.

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So Bruce Levine was right about all this extension talk.

 

Reinsdorf's son Michael has been heavily involved in stadium development deals in other cities although I believe the firm he works for is based in the Chicago area.

 

Jerry Reinsdorf will be 76 in 2012 and it seems logical if he's thinking that's a good age to kick back and relax.

 

I do not know about succession planning with the Board of Directors and investors but I presume they already have a plan in place, just in case something unforeseen happens.

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QUOTE(Soxfest @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 04:49 PM)
On AM1000 Mac, Jurko, Harry and Levineline were saying that JR is saying this is his last management team and that after Ozzie and Kenny he is riding off into the sunset and handing the team off to his son. Can anyone find a JR quote to this effect? Or is it just Levine throwing stuff out there to see what sticks? If JR said something to this effect, this is much more interesting than just the contract extension.

 

 

 

Other than the handing him the team part, I would agree with Levine's assesment.

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QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 05:45 PM)
If Ozzie deserves an extension now, then he deserved it at the beginning of the season. Even if he is completely blameless for this season, he still hasn't proven anything. The only reason I can think of to give this extension now is to make a statement, some statement, which is a terrible way to run a team.

 

Not really. If that statement is based on perception that Ozzie is being tuned out by the vets...it's letting the team know that Ozzie is here to stay and if they have a problem with it...get with the program or voice your displeasure and we'll see where we can send you. Do I agree with that. Yes.

 

The other reason could be for stability and not having that, "will Ozzie be fired" tone the whole offseason...which would probably not be a good pitch for potential FAs.

 

Stability is a good thing. Stagnation is not. And this team is completely stagnant. Again...I'm not saying I agree with the decision at all....just voicing some reasons why it possibly happened at this time.

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I wouldn't mind this extension; if it were 2008 and we were witness to another White Sox season under Guillen.

 

It just doesn't fit together. Three additional seasons added onto his current deal just seems like quite a long time to assume his stinct ("gut" decisions, seemingly favoring players, explosive personality) holds up.

 

I just can't shake this feeling extending Guillen is, in some small way, management sticking their tongues out at everyone who had begun to seriously question Guillen's future. It isn't based upon anything tangible, other than the odd timing during this dismal season. It could and should have waited.

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Jerry loves having Ozzie as his manager, you could always tell that. This is a good way to take a little heat off of Ozzie in the respect that they(the media) wont be coming down on him about being on the hot seat and losing his job.

 

I have no idea, im grasping at straws. the timing is wierd

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Great. WCIU broadcasted an interview with Williams on the timing of his extension, and he said it was to prove to everyone in their clubhouse they're not done competing.

 

Tell-tale sign, if nothing else would suffice, that we're not rebuilding. Hell, I wonder if the extensions means we'll EVER rebuild under Guillen. As others have said, and I tend to agree, I don't believe he's a rebuilding manager.

 

 

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Couple of things...

 

1) Those not understanding the timing of this extension...surely, you jest. This is called buying low. This is economics 101 and it is certainly a White Sox hallmark. If believed that Ozzie was not the problem this year and that the White Sox can once again compete for the pennant under his guidance, the board was smart to lock up their man when he asking price was presumably at its lowest.

 

2) The short-sightedness is staggering. Anyone with at least a half-refined baseball acumen knows Ozzie Guillen was not the problem for the 2007 White Sox. Was he at his best? No. I'll admit it appeared at times that Guillen had his head a bit too far out in front of his skis...paling in comparison to Williams' performance. I don't think this season was due to a lack of trying OR a lack of proper managing--it was due to lack of talent and lack of execution.

 

This is a fine move and a positive one for the organization.

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QUOTE(ChiSox35 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 05:07 PM)
I think they should have fired him in the middle of the World Series!!!111!one1

Some people need to take a deep breath, and reach deep to pull that copy of Moneyball out of their ass. A WS title in a wire to wire season, followed by a 90 win season? Not good enough.

I never read Moneyball, and I don't care much for Billy Beane. I also don't care for the fact that the Sox are 95-126 since July 6 of last year. There was no reason to give this manager any extension at all, let alone one this long. This is vintage Jerry Reinsdorf digging in his heels.
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QUOTE(Wanne @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 07:54 PM)
Not really. If that statement is based on perception that Ozzie is being tuned out by the vets...it's letting the team know that Ozzie is here to stay and if they have a problem with it...get with the program or voice your displeasure and we'll see where we can send you. Do I agree with that. Yes.

 

The other reason could be for stability and not having that, "will Ozzie be fired" tone the whole offseason...which would probably not be a good pitch for potential FAs.

 

Stability is a good thing. Stagnation is not. And this team is completely stagnant. Again...I'm not saying I agree with the decision at all....just voicing some reasons why it possibly happened at this time.

Ugh... I still hate those reasons as "statements". If the vets as a group are tuning him out, then it's time for Ozzie to go. Wasn't Reinsdorf's praise of Ozzie based on the idea that the players are still playing hard for him?

 

And I really doubt that many free agents will join one of the worst teams in the majors just because they 'know' Ozzie will be around for a while. My impression is that free agents want to get paid and want to win. If the Sox win, Ozzie will stay anyway. If they don't, they'd want to stick with a loser just because the manager isn't changing?

 

No, it's not a big deal either way. But I want to see a club sign someone because he's the best manager/coach/player/scout/gm/whatever, not because signing him 'shows' something. I just hate that philosophy.

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Can anyone remember the last time a manager had the worst record in baseball and got a contract extension, if ever?

 

Uh, he won a World Series two years ago in a city that simply DOES NOT win World Series.

He deserved the extension.

How soon we forget.

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