The Ginger Kid Posted September 6, 2007 Author Share Posted September 6, 2007 f***vich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Floyd pitched a good game. That is from the line score, and from the actual pitches that I saw. Did he make mistakes, well sure. But all pitchers make mistakes in a pitched game. Its sometimes a few inches of a foul ball, or the quick turn on a pitch that gets popped to the track thats the difference between a great outing, and giving up 3 or 4 runs. What you want from your pitcher is to pitch ahead in the count, pitch aggressive, and try not to walk runners. You attack, and let your defense play behind you and you will be ok. The only mistake if you could call it that, was a low and away pitch to Hessman. It was a good pitch, and a good swing on a low and away pitch. The only criticism was on the pitch calling, on 2 strikes and after facing a few fastballs, I would of wanted to see Floyd go low and away with the tight curve. That is a strikeout pitch, and he should use it more. Floyd has two curveballs. A big bender and a tight curve. What you want to see when you have a pitcher with a big bender, is on two strikes to either high with a fastball to setup the big bender change of pace, or to go low and away with a tight curve. Floyd needs to keep this type of effort going the next time. Consistancy is the key to staying up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Suckvich returns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 I don't think Floyd has very good mechanics, and I think a big flaw is he shows the hitter the ball way too much. The biggest similarity between Floyd and Grilli is this, they both have a problem with their release point. It is basically as you said, a mechanical issue. The thing that makes both of them potentially of value is they both have movement on their pitches. I was a big fan of Grilli when he was here, he was and is a little older to finally be reaching his potential but the raw ability was there. Grilli got hurt and was derailed and took an awful long time to come back. Floyd's problem is between his ears, he needs some success to get over that problem, tonight he experienced some success and I want to see him pitch again, preferably against another team fighting for its life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 (edited) This outing has to be considered a major success for Floyd. By no means am I annointing him a part of the future or anything, but he battled and showed confidence in the curveball. This against a team who'd seen him before, is a good offensive team, and is in a fight for its life. He is deserving of another start, at a minimum. Also I was impressed with how Lucy received. Loved how Rogers threw the ball to Guillen on Lucy's first MLB hit, very classy, and also loved how Rogers gave Lucy his best pickoff move on the very next pitch. That stuff is part of what makes baseball great. Lucy will remember that the rest of his life. He's also facing a team that has been playing as bad as the Sox, and his only other good start came in this cavernous ball park. I agree he should get another start, but if he gets rocked again (espsecially if it's at home) I don't want to see anyone point to these two games in Detroit as evidence of why he should continue to get a shot. Edited September 6, 2007 by santo=dorf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 He's also facing a team that has been playing as bad at the Sox, and his only other good start came in this cavernous ball park. I agree he should get another start, but if he gets rocked again (espsecially if it's at home) I don't want to see anyone point to these two games in Detroit as evidence of why he should continue to get a shot. Frankly it doesn't matter if they've been playing bad, it is a full house with a good offensive team in a fight for its life. Again I would never take two games and say hey, this guy is great, let's pencil him in for 2008. The one thing I will do though is see if he battles and attacks the strike zone and shows he is not afraid and bounces back from adversity. Those are the things that are important in a situation like this. Let's face it, he pitched well tonight, he worked out of a few jams, etc. As for pointing to these two games, if a guy pitches well on the road, I will take it. He manned up tonight and battled, I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 6, 2007 -> 01:21 AM) Wow, Tampa really has been mashing of late. My "dream" scenerio is coming true. Floyd pitches a good game, Richar looks good in the process,(would have like to seen Josh produce a little bit more) and pen looks like they are going to give it up. Helllllo, Pedro... Fantastic point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Am I seeing this correctly on Gameday? Intentionally walking Sean Casey? Mercy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Off topic....Arod with 2 homers in an inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Sep 5, 2007 -> 08:22 PM) He's also facing a team that has been playing as bad as the Sox, and his only other good start came in this cavernous ball park. I agree he should get another start, but if he gets rocked again (espsecially if it's at home) I don't want to see anyone point to these two games in Detroit as evidence of why he should continue to get a shot. Its hard to deny the stuff he has-we all saw the consistency slow to come with Garland. That paid off- We cant give every regarded prospect the same treatment they gave Brian Anderson. Personally, I would have liked to see him get the shot that Owens has had. Maybe Floyd is that road game pitcher we lost in Freddy Garcia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Granderson and his over anxious bat helped out Thornton there. 2-0 and the bases loaded, you take until you get a strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Its hard to deny the stuff he has-we all saw the consistency slow to come with Garland. That paid off- We cant give every regarded prospect the same treatment they gave Brian Anderson. Personally, I would have liked to see him get the shot that Owens has had. Maybe Floyd is that road game pitcher we lost in Freddy Garcia. My point about seeing pitch at home was about the dimensions. He also pitched 3 solid innings in garbage time at Seattle. We don't have time with Floyd like we did with Garland. We need to have a solid decision by the end of Spring Training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 So...here's a question. Which team had the better protection for its cleanup hitter tonight? Detroit: Guillen followed by Timo Chicago: Konerko followed by Erstad and Gonzalez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 6, 2007 Author Share Posted September 6, 2007 rodney didn't give up a run in 12 innings in August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Think we'll see 'the opening act' tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 We don't have time with Floyd like we did with Garland. We need to have a solid decision by the end of Spring Training. Yes completely agree with you and actually that was my point. Teams hate to make decisions on guys based on what they do in September if your team is playing in meaningless games. What helps them make a good decision is whether the team you're playing is really hungry and this effort will help them make a decision. Now they need to get him back in there vs. a team going to the playoffs, like Cleveland or LAA. Even still it is not a clear cut decision, either way. At this point no one ... not even other teams ... much cares about his AAA record. What can he do in the majors is the issue. The other problem is it's awful evaluating pitchers in Tucson. Therefore they will have to make a judgement call and open themselves up for criticism no matter what they decide. I do know they have been working with him big time in side sessions and putting all their resources and efforts into making Floyd better. It is a shame he has not blossomed to this point but baseball is a strange game. The question to be asked is, Floyd is a healthy young arm and do you gamble with him as let's say a 5th starter in a season where he is out of options and where you have stated you want to contend? Not an easy call. All I can say is he took a step forward tonight. There is no clear cut answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 6, 2007 Author Share Posted September 6, 2007 walking Uribe?? what an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claydude14 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 It's fun to still enjoy a White Sox game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawa_sox Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Sep 5, 2007 -> 09:22 PM) He's also facing a team that has been playing as bad as the Sox, and his only other good start came in this cavernous ball park. I agree he should get another start, but if he gets rocked again (espsecially if it's at home) I don't want to see anyone point to these two games in Detroit as evidence of why he should continue to get a shot. Ohhhhhh for the days of 21 groundouts = 1 suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Wow four whole hits for the Sox so far tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawa_sox Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 5, 2007 -> 10:35 PM) Wow four whole hits for the Sox so far tonight. So far I count 1 for 29 from the 1 through 7 hitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 So how many pitches will it take for the Tigers to win this game against Phillips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Jenks' thinner brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnwood Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Timo the Sox Killer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 The Legend of Timo Perez lives on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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