G&T Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Uh...did Hawk just say that David Eckstein is the biggest over achiever he'd ever seen? While it might be true, it gets me thinking when he starts praising players that aren't playing in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Joy joy! We get the Eckstein treatment BEFORE he even dons the black-and-white! How neat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawa_sox Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 09:46 PM) Floyd has a nice two-seamer working tonight, but I have to say I'm a little dissappointed that his fastball is only topping out at 89 on the Comcast gun. If he pitches another scoreless inning or two, I think he'll actually pass Danks in ERA... Who knows what to think of these guns. Gameday has him topping out at 94. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 08:53 PM) Who knows what to think of these guns. Gameday has him topping out at 94. He's probably between. And in this rain, I wouldn't read too much into velocity in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 maybe he just mentioned eckstein because the Cardinals are in town to play the Cubs. hope. our defense is soooooo bad. Fields couldn't even throw the ball to the cutoff man in the infield on the fly. if Crede doesn't come back next season, we're hosed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 09:04 PM) maybe he just mentioned eckstein because the Cardinals are in town to play the Cubs. hope. our defense is soooooo bad. Fields couldn't even throw the ball to the cutoff man in the infield on the fly. if Crede doesn't come back next season, we're hosed. Fields' arm is not that weak - its pouring rain out there. And you can't really translate his LF play to 3B play anyway. Crede is still a better defender (assuming he is healthy), but its not as if Fields is a butcher out there like Gonzalez or Cintron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Alrighty, time for Mikey Myers to "get the job done". Tampa Bay won today, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawa_sox Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 10:04 PM) maybe he just mentioned eckstein because the Cardinals are in town to play the Cubs. hope. our defense is soooooo bad. Fields couldn't even throw the ball to the cutoff man in the infield on the fly. if Crede doesn't come back next season, we're hosed. I really haven't seen many games this year. Are you suggesting Fields has a bad arm. How does a major college football quarterback have a noodle baseball arm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Fields looks adequate at third. The throw was poor, but the conditions are bad. AJ looked pissed that Gonzo didn't continue the relay. and I'd be happy if Gonzalez, Cintron and about 10 others never appeared in our third base dugout again. But overall the point remains -- our defense ain't good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I'm simply saying that Fields made a terrible throw on that ball. He bounced it to Gonzalez from medium left field. Because of his inexperience in left field, he looked bad. Different throwing motion from left field than third base. If he is going to play lfield next season, which seems likely, he's going to need a lot of work out there. having him in left and owens in center, teams are going to run, run, run on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawa_sox Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 10:11 PM) I'm simply saying that Fields made a terrible throw on that ball. He bounced it to Gonzalez from medium left field. Because of his inexperience in left field, he looked bad. Different throwing motion from left field than third base. If he is going to play lfield next season, which seems likely, he's going to need a lot of work out there. having him in left and owens in center, teams are going to run, run, run on us. When I think of the arms we have featured in left over the years, I've got to believe Fields will be an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Floyd on the hook for the loss now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawa_sox Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 10:15 PM) Floyd on the hook for the loss now. It's too bad, but of more importance was his performance against a good team on a mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Gavin pitched well. Then death by pen came in to put it out of reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 (edited) No reason for Myers to pitch for the Sox ever again. He is toast. Edited September 11, 2007 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(G&T @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 01:48 AM) Uh...did Hawk just say that David Eckstein is the biggest over achiever he'd ever seen? While it might be true, it gets me thinking when he starts praising players that aren't playing in the game. It gets me scared to death about our offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 This would be the perfect sequence....Floyd pitches well, but we lose and Tampa won. I'm sure Fields couldn't get a good grip on that ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 09:11 PM) I'm simply saying that Fields made a terrible throw on that ball. He bounced it to Gonzalez from medium left field. Because of his inexperience in left field, he looked bad. Different throwing motion from left field than third base. If he is going to play lfield next season, which seems likely, he's going to need a lot of work out there. having him in left and owens in center, teams are going to run, run, run on us. Pulling a wet ball out of your wet mitt and then making a relay throw is a bit harder than you think. If it was dry and he screwed the pooch sure give him hell. But when it is raining. Andy however not making the relay was just baseball dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 07:52 PM) Question for the board....is Richar playing himself out of a starting spot for next year? He the greatest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Hitting in the rain isn't that easy. Good for Gavin, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 It's shameful they're playing in these conditions....if one of the Indians players got hurt and missed the playoffs, that would be ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 (edited) Floyd's last few starts have really been encouraging to me for 2008. Edited September 11, 2007 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 With a handful of arms that we aren't quite sure about, I think my plan for the offseason has changed a bit. I now want both Garland and Contreras traded, and two of Floyd/Haeger/Egbert/Gonzalez to take over the fourth and fifth spots. I understand the potential for disaster is there, especially since you're moving an above average #5 starter in Danks into a spot where he becomes below average (#3), but the 2008 season is going to be a gamble anyways. Trade Garland and Contreras for a combination of your 2008 SS and prospects, sign one of those CFers (Bradley, Jones, Cameron, Rowand/Hunter in that order), let Crede take third, put Fields in left and hope to hell that you can mash the crap out of teams (and that your bullpen bounces back big time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawa_sox Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 10:17 PM) It gets me scared to death about our offseason. Try not to think about Hawkisms. Think of the Buehrle conversation instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 07:31 PM) With a handful of arms that we aren't quite sure about, I think my plan for the offseason has changed a bit. I now want both Garland and Contreras traded, and two of Floyd/Haeger/Egbert/Gonzalez to take over the fourth and fifth spots. I understand the potential for disaster is there, especially since you're moving an above average #5 starter in Danks into a spot where he becomes below average (#3), but the 2008 season is going to be a gamble anyways. Trade Garland and Contreras for a combination of your 2008 SS and prospects, sign one of those CFers (Bradley, Jones, Cameron, Rowand/Hunter in that order), let Crede take third, put Fields in left and hope to hell that you can mash the crap out of teams (and that your bullpen bounces back big time). Unfortunately, I still think it's going to be impossible to trade Jose without the Sox picking up at least 1/3 of his contract, which is probably just a silly thing to do, given that we'd be still getting virtually nothing back. I think it's highly, highly likely that our starting 5 to open next year is Buehrle, Vazquez, Contreras, Danks, Floyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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