Kalapse Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 10:42 PM) You guys want to lose every night to get a shot at those names? I'll be breathless counting the days til the draft. Give me free agents and Japanese players any day over no names in the draft that likely will not pan out judging the Sox history of draft picks. Unlike Jason Schmidt, Juan Pierre, 90% of the other "big name" free agents from last season, Kaz Matsui, Kei Igawa and Hideki Irabu, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 10:42 PM) You guys want to lose every night to get a shot at those names? I'll be breathless counting the days til the draft. Give me free agents and Japanese players any day over no names in the draft that likely will not pan out judging the Sox history of draft picks. Again you think that this is the Yankees with unlimited funds and unlimited resources. And not a team that has over 90 mill already tied up for next year. To gain flexibility you have to do what you want move expensive parts. I would rather see if we can pick up an impact guy that can help the franchise for a very long time. But then again if this was 1987 you would want a few more wins and some other team would of had Frank Thomas. Because at that time, Frank Thomas was just a person that you never seen play. Top prospects like this can change the face of a franchise. Next year is very important when it comes to scouting our impact draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 03:42 AM) You guys want to lose every night to get a shot at those names? I'll be breathless counting the days til the draft. Give me free agents and Japanese players any day over no names in the draft that likely will not pan out judging the Sox history of draft picks. At least you're not asking for the Sox to spend too much money, as those guys come cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 10:42 PM) You guys want to lose every night to get a shot at those names? I'll be breathless counting the days til the draft. Give me free agents and Japanese players any day over no names in the draft that likely will not pan out judging the Sox history of draft picks. lol, I bet you've never watched a college baseball game in your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 not that i need to post this after someone already did better research, but: 1985 B.J. Surhoff Milwaukee Brewers Catcher - long MLB career. 1986 Jeff King Pittsburgh Pirates Third baseman - hit 154 major league home runs 1987 Ken Griffey, Jr. Seattle Mariners Outfielder - Best player I've ever seen. 1988 Andy Benes San Diego Padres Pitcher - major league pitcher 1989 Ben McDonald Baltimore Orioles Pitcher - 1990 Chipper Jones Atlanta Braves Shortstop - one of the best 3basemen ever 1991 Brien Taylor New York Yankees Pitcher - ... 1992 Phil Nevin Houston Astros Third baseman - successful MLB career 1993 Alex Rodriguez Seattle Mariners Shortstop - greatest player of all time? 1994 Paul Wilson New York Mets Pitcher 1995 Darin Erstad Anaheim Angels Outfielder - long MLB career 1996 Kris Benson Pittsburgh Pirates Pitcher - big league pitcher 1997 Matt Anderson Detroit Tigers Pitcher - made it to the bigs, once a closer 1998 Pat Burrell Philadelphia Phillies Third baseman - speaks for itself 1999 Josh Hamilton Tampa Bay Devil Rays Outfielder - once bust now legit OF 2000 Adrián González Florida Marlins First baseman - a major league 1basemen. 2001 Joe Mauer Minnesota Twins Catcher - obvious 2002 Bryan Bullington Pittsburgh Pirates Pitcher - okay 2 2003 Delmon Young Tampa Bay Devil Rays Outfielder - one of the most promising hitters in the game. 2004 Matt Bush San Diego Padres Shortstop - here's your one 2005 Justin Upton Arizona Diamondbacks Shortstop - one of the most promising young players ingame 2006 Luke Hochevar Kansas City Royals Pitcher - made debut in majors 2007 David Price - too soon to judge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Good list. Some great. Some good. Some not so good. Crapshoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 10:56 PM) Good list. Some great. Some good. Some not so good. Crapshoot. LOLZLZLZ!!!!!! crapshoot? Alex Rodriquez, Chipper Jones, Ken Griffey Jr.... crapshoot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 (edited) Jeff King? Brien Taylor? Andy Benes? White Sox making the decision? It's still a crapshoot. Edited September 12, 2007 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 11:00 PM) LOLZLZLZ!!!!!! crapshoot? Alex Rodriquez, Chipper Jones, Ken Griffey Jr.... crapshoot? No he's right. He already acknowledged "great" which I'm assuming Griffey and others. Even though I don't pay much into #1 picks for certain teams considering the inabilty to sign a player who was actually better than the one picked/$$$ issues with that player or with the "cheap" organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 The 2 best offensive 3B in baseball today are former #1 picks. It isn't even about how often the #1 pick bombs my main point is the flexibility you gain with the top pick. You see when you have the 1st pick you can take ANYONE you choose, the ability to take whoever the hell you want is just incredibly valuable in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 11:06 PM) It isn't even about how often the #1 pick bombs my main point is the flexibility you gain with the top pick. You see when you have the 1st pick you can take ANYONE you choose, the ability to take whoever the hell you want is just incredibly valuable in my mind. Exactly. That's the difference if a team wants to be cheap/has a need as far as postion that they want (Bullington) and taking the best player in that draft clearly regardless of $$$$, or specific need (Upton) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Juan Uribe's 31 walks places him 4th on the team in that category. It is not Walker's fault the offense blows, it is definitely KW's as he apparently didn't consider the importance of being on base until recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Draft picks are not that position sensitive in baseball as in say, basketball or football. I could give a rip if we drafted 1 or 6. Draft a bunch of guys and hope something pans out. Half the time they are trade bait before hitting the mlb roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 06:08 AM) Juan Uribe's 31 walks places him 4th on the team in that category. It is not Walker's fault the offense blows, it is definitely KW's as he apparently didn't consider the importance of being on base until recently. thats a product of uribe playing every damn day...hes seriously the only guys who almost never gets a day off....im guessing hes behind thome konerko and dye.....AJ also doesnt walk frequently, and rests more than uribe.....beyond that at every position, 3b, CF, LF, 2b, we have had a rotating door.....id be willing to bet if you took crede + fields walks they are more than uribes...same goes for richar + iguchi, same as pods/owens/terrero/gonzalez or whoever has been in LF and CF.... but yes i agree, a major flaw in the way KW put this team together, was that he had too many guys who dont get on base, like uribe and AJ, add into that the fact that we are playing andy gonzalez on a consistent basis and you are gonna have a really bad offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 05:08 AM) Juan Uribe's 31 walks places him 4th on the team in that category. It is not Walker's fault the offense blows, it is definitely KW's as he apparently didn't consider the importance of being on base until recently. Uribe has the 3rd most plate appearances on the team, in case you were interested. And there's a big dropoff after the top 5. Name Games played plate appearances Paul Konerko 136 569 Jermaine Dye 123 497 Juan Uribe 133 484 A.J. Pierzynski 125 458 Jim Thome 115 470 Tadahito Iguchi (37 Phi) 90 371 Josh Fields 85 344 Jerry Owens 78 320 Darin Erstad 78 307 Rob Mackowiak (26 SD) 85 260 Scott Podsednik 51 184 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 The signs are already there... KWs going to reach and draft Jordan Danks #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 No, he's not. No matter how terrible people seem to think the front office is, they're not going to take a late 1st/early second round talent with the #1 overall pick anyone who thinks otherwise is just pathetically pessimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Good day so far with the Pirates winning and KC up by 6 in the 7th inning. The Nats and Fish are tied at 4 in the bottom of the 8th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 11:07 AM) No, he's not. No matter how terrible people seem to think the front office is, they're not going to take a late 1st/early second round talent with the #1 overall pick anyone who thinks otherwise is just pathetically pessimistic. I have a feeling they will sign the top guy, and they better. We need the talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Florida won which means Washington lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 The 2 best offensive 3B in baseball today are former #1 picks. It isn't even about how often the #1 pick bombs my main point is the flexibility you gain with the top pick. You see when you have the 1st pick you can take ANYONE you choose, the ability to take whoever the hell you want is just incredibly valuable in my mind. Really? The White Sox can take players who do not live in Canada, The United States, or other US territories? There has been really only one bad #2 pick since 1997, and ironically it was by the Twins. #3 pick? Eww, don't ask. #4 picks include Billy Koch, Gavin Floyd, Jason Grilli, and Kerry Wood. #5? Not very good either. Surprised to see John Patterson was drafted 11 years ago #6 Loads of hype in recent years including Grienke, Sowers, and Baldelli, but no good picks since 1992. You can waste a lot of time at baseball reference. Judging by the last 10 years, I'd rather pick second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Of the 50 players the Twins drafted in 2001, only one has ever seen major league action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Doesn't Scott Boras usually latch onto one of the top guys? Whoever he gets his hands on, cross him off the Sox list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 07:25 PM) Really? The White Sox can take players who do not live in Canada, The United States, or other US territories? You're seriously going to play that game with me? Quite frankly I am offended. You can waste a lot of time at baseball reference. Judging by the last 10 years, I'd rather pick second. If you have the #1 pick you can take the guy who was chosen second in any of those drafts. That's the cool thing about having the top choice come June, you can take ANYONE* you want. * "Anyone" of course refers to residents of Canada, The United States or any territories of the USA (ex: Puerto Rico) who meet the basic requirements of eligibility for the June Amateur Draft. Those who are not eligible for the June Amateur Draft DO NOT fall into the category of "anyone." So 16 year old kids playing stick ball with milk cartons and rocks who are residents of the Dominican Republic do not count as "anyone." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 You're seriously going to play that game with me? Quite frankly I am offended. If you have the #1 pick you can take the guy who was chosen second in any of those drafts. That's the cool thing about having the top choice come June, you can take ANYONE* you want. * "Anyone" of course refers to residents of Canada, The United States or any territories of the USA (ex: Puerto Rico) who meet the basic requirements of eligibility for the June Amateur Draft. Those who are not eligible for the June Amateur Draft DO NOT fall into the category of "anyone." So 16 year old kids playing stick ball with milk cartons and rocks who are residents of the Dominican Republic do not count as "anyone." If we don't establish it and drill it into people's heads, they're going to ask why we don't draft someone like Felix Hernandez. I still see the occasional "let's trade the top pick instead" post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.