WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 (edited) When ever a cub fan says Andre Dawson should be in the hall (which I disagree with) they always bring up the fact that he won the MVP for a last place team. Well, looking back at the stats i'm not sure he deserved to win. Andre Dawson-.287/.328/.568 49 HR 137 RBI 11 SB .986 FP 1.86 RFg Dale Murphy-.295/.417/.580 44 HR 105 RBI 16 SB .977 FP 2.13 RFg Eric Davis-.293/.399/.593 37 HR 100 RBI 50 SB (only 5 cs) .990 FP 3.05 RFg Tim Raines-.330/.429/.526 18 HR 68 RBI 50 SB (only 5 cs) .987 FP 2.20 RFg It's important to note that Dawson's "clutch stats" were better than both Davis and Murphy's (Murphy's were downright awful). Raines did well in the clutch. I would probably vote for Eric Davis. His OBP was much better than Dawson's, plus his Stolen bases and success rate and the fact that his RFg is through the roof. http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1987.shtml Here are the voting results. There are other guys like Schmidt who deserve serious consideration as well. Edited September 17, 2007 by WhiteSoxfan1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 they all seem relatively even, I really like Eric Davis' stats the best though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 yeah but HR's and RBI's are really big stats to look at when people make an MVP vote.... i think if they all had the same season this year Dawson would still win out. Now if your asking which player id personally vote for, prob davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 So no love for Jack Clark? .286 35 106 .459/.597/1.056 for a Cardinals team that went to the World Series. He probably didn't get it because he missed 30 games, but in my mind, he deserved it over all 4 you mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Sep 16, 2007 -> 11:57 PM) yeah but HR's and RBI's are really big stats to look at when people make an MVP vote.... i think if they all had the same season this year Dawson would still win out. Now if your asking which player id personally vote for, prob davis. Approaching 50 HRs was a key, too. It hadn't been done since 1977 (George Foster). Still not crazy about a guy winning on a last place team, but Dawson's season was really great. I don't think he's a HOF player either, though. Year National League HR American League HR 2007 (NL AL) Prince Fielder* (MIL) 46 Alex Rodriguez (NYY) 52 2006 (NL AL) Ryan Howard* (PHI) 58 David Ortiz* (BOS) 54 2005 (NL AL) Andruw Jones (ATL) 51 Alex Rodriguez (NYY) 48 2004 (NL AL) Adrian Beltre (LAD) 48 Manny Ramirez (BOS) 43 2003 (NL AL) Jim Thome* (PHI) 47 Alex Rodriguez (TEX) 47 2002 (NL AL) Sammy Sosa (CHC) 49 Alex Rodriguez (TEX) 57 2001 (NL AL) Barry Bonds* (SFG) 73 Alex Rodriguez (TEX) 52 2000 (NL AL) Sammy Sosa (CHC) 50 Troy Glaus (ANA) 47 1999 (NL AL) Mark McGwire (STL) 65 Ken Griffey* (SEA) 48 1998 (NL AL) Mark McGwire (STL) 70 Ken Griffey* (SEA) 56 1997 (NL AL) Larry Walker* (COL) 49 Ken Griffey* (SEA) 56 1996 (NL AL) Andres Galarraga (COL) 47 Mark McGwire (OAK) 52 1995 (NL AL) Dante Bichette (COL) 40 Albert Belle (CLE) 50 1994 (NL AL) Matt Williams (SFG) 43 Ken Griffey* (SEA) 40 1993 (NL AL) Barry Bonds* (SFG) 46 Juan Gonzalez (TEX) 46 1992 (NL AL) Fred McGriff* (SDP) 35 Juan Gonzalez (TEX) 43 1991 (NL AL) Howard Johnson# (NYM) 38 Jose Canseco (OAK) Cecil Fielder (DET) 44 1990 (NL AL) Ryne Sandberg+ (CHC) 40 Cecil Fielder (DET) 51 1989 (NL AL) Kevin Mitchell (SFG) 47 Fred McGriff* (TOR) 36 1988 (NL AL) Darryl Strawberry* (NYM) 39 Jose Canseco (OAK) 42 1987 (NL AL) Andre Dawson (CHC) 49 Mark McGwire (OAK) 49 1986 (NL AL) Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 37 Jesse Barfield (TOR) 40 1985 (NL AL) Dale Murphy (ATL) 37 Darrell Evans* (DET) 40 1984 (NL AL) Dale Murphy (ATL) Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 36 Tony Armas (BOS) 43 1983 (NL AL) Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 40 Jim Rice (BOS) 39 1982 (NL AL) Dave Kingman (NYM) 37 Reggie Jackson*+ (CAL) Gorman Thomas (MIL) 39 1981 (NL AL) Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 31 Tony Armas (OAK) Dwight Evans (BOS) Bobby Grich (CAL) Eddie Murray#+ (BAL) 22 1980 (NL AL) Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 48 Reggie Jackson*+ (NYY) Ben Oglivie* (MIL) 41 1979 (NL AL) Dave Kingman (CHC) 48 Gorman Thomas (MIL) 45 1978 (NL AL) George Foster (CIN) 40 Jim Rice (BOS) 46 1977 (NL AL) George Foster (CIN) 52 Jim Rice (BOS) 39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I think that Andre is a borderline Hall of Famer. A copy & paste job from the Rock Raines thread: Andre Dawson won 8 consecutive gold gloves, had 440 HR, damn near 2800 hits, over 300 SB, and he made the all star team 8 times. I know that he never learned to draw a walk, hence the .323 lifetime OBP, but overall, he was still one of the best players in baseball throughout the 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthsideNorthsideFan Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 As a Northside fan I can tell you first hand that Dawson's best years, by far, were with the Expos. Before his knees were bad he did it all (not just HR), and often against the Cubs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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