Jerry Owens

[jasonxctf]

Jerry Owens is on a bit of a post All Star Game tear.

 

Including tonight (so far) he is hitting .267 post mid-Season with a .341OBP.

 

At a full season clip for MLB rankings that would put him at #16 for CF for average and #12 for OBP.

 

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Where would that atrocious SLG% (.313) rank him?

[Felix]

If a players "tear" is defined as .267/.341/.313, then that player has no right to be a starter in the majors.

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Oh by the way, that .313 SLG% would be dead last amongst ALL outfielders (both leagues) and 3rd worst in baseball with just Vizquel and Punto being more inept, that's right Jason Kendall has a higher slugging percentage.

[SoxAce]

Owens would look damn good as a 4th OF next season that's for damn sure. Can play CF, LF, steal a base at will late, and can hit in his own right at this level.

 

If you wanna talk about someone on a tear that's young, look at Richar. He's been ridiculous this month especially considering what he was doing prior to this month. And Josh Fields is still proving me right about him being the only 1st round pick the sox have drafted in recent years that's going to make it. (I even called him a future star)

[jasonxctf]

Oh by the way, that .313 SLG% would be dead last amongst ALL outfielders (both leagues) and 3rd worst in baseball with just Vizquel and Punto being more inept, that's right Jason Kendall has a higher slugging percentage.

 

is that .313 slugging post All-Star or for the entire season???

 

Pods had a .349 slugging in 2005.

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That's post ASB, for the season it's .299 which is just insanely bad.

 

Pods was also quite bad for much of 2005.

[Flash Tizzle]

Oh by the way, that .313 SLG% would be dead last amongst ALL outfielders (both leagues) and 3rd worst in baseball with just Vizquel and Punto being more inept, that's right Jason Kendall has a higher slugging percentage.

That's future White Sox shortstop Omar Vizquel to you.

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That's future White Sox shortstop Omar Vizquel to you.

The Sox could set some sort of record for most the most punchless 1-2 combo in the history of the game next season with that Owens/Vizquel combo. Throw in Erstad as a shadow starter and his .330 SLG% could rock your ass like never before.

[Balta1701]

The Sox could set some sort of record for most the most punchless 1-2 combo in the history of the game next season with that Owens/Vizquel combo. Throw in Erstad as a shadow starter and his .330 SLG% could rock your ass like never before.

Thankfully...there's no where for Erstad to play if that happens.

 

Anyway...mark my words...Jerry Owens is going to be the CF and Leadoff hitter for this team on opening day next year.

[Kalapse]

Anyway...mark my words...Jerry Owens is going to be the CF and Leadoff hitter for this team on opening day next year.

I believe it. I also believe this team will have another top 10 pick in 2009 and that Jerry Owens will play a large part in earning them that pick.

[SoxAce]

Thankfully...there's no where for Erstad to play if that happens.

 

Anyway...mark my words...Jerry Owens is going to be the CF and Leadoff hitter for this team on opening day next year.

 

Actually I don't mind that as much as anyone else (Well... hopefully LF not CF) as long as we get a good SS and/or CF (I'd rather see Owens in the 9th spot where I'd think he would have a pretty decent season, hopefully 40-50 bags swiped) rather it be through trade or FA. (probably CF since it's going to be very deep) A young, healthier Owens who actually knows how to steal bases, will probably improve in his offense as he usually does (as history tells us from his minor league days) and definitely more range (even though his arm IMO, is weaker than Pods) is our upgraded Scott Podsednik. But like I said, hopefully as a 4th outfielder but I won't HATE it if he was our starting LF.

[Balta1701]

Actually I don't mind that as much as anyone else (Well... hopefully LF not CF) as long as we get a good SS and/or CF (I'd rather see Owens in the 9th spot where I'd think he would have a pretty decent season, hopefully 40-50 bags swiped) rather it be through trade or FA. (probably CF since it's going to be very deep) A young, healthier Owens who actually knows how to steal bases, will probably improve in his offense as he usually does (as history tells us from his minor league days) and definitely more range (even though his arm IMO, is weaker than Pods) is our upgraded Scott Podsednik. But like I said, hopefully as a 4th outfielder but I won't HATE it if he was our starting LF.

Josh Fields will be our starting LF on opening day next year...i'm fairly confident in that. We'd have to hear about Crede having a really big setback before I change my mind on that.

 

Our opening day OF next year is going to be Fields Owens Dye, and around the horn is going to be Crede...????...Richar...Konerko...AJ.

 

The quality of this offseason, and whether or not we are a winning team next year, is going to be entirely determined IMO on what we get for Garland and whether or not we can fill that SS hole using him.

[Dick Allen]

Josh Fields will be our starting LF on opening day next year...i'm fairly confident in that. We'd have to hear about Crede having a really big setback before I change my mind on that.

 

Our opening day OF next year is going to be Fields Owens Dye, and around the horn is going to be Crede...????...Richar...Konerko...AJ.

 

The quality of this offseason, and whether or not we are a winning team next year, is going to be entirely determined IMO on what we get for Garland and whether or not we can fill that SS hole using him.

There is no way it will be Fields in LF and Owens in CF. Anyway, I think you're screwed if you bet anyone on Owens in CF on opening day. I believe the Sox open in Cleveland, and Jerry isn't going to be the first batter CC Sabathia faces in 2008.

[SoxAce]

There is no way it will be Fields in LF and Owens in CF. Anyway, I think you're screwed if you bet anyone on Owens in CF on opening day. I believe the Sox open in Cleveland, and Jerry isn't going to be the first batter CC Sabathia faces in 2008.

 

Of course not, It'll be Pablo Ozuna.

 

Other than that, I agree with you.

[hitlesswonder]

I believe it. I also believe this team will have another top 10 pick in 2009 and that Jerry Owens will play a large part in earning them that pick.

I think there's little doubt about it:

 

Owens/Erstad

Eckstein/Vizquel

Thome

Konerko

Dye

AJ

Crede

Fields

Richar

 

I think that's a ticket to last place in the AL Central. Especially with a rotation that will feature Danks, Contreras, and Floyd

[santo=dorf]

No. 3 hitter Darin Erstad went 0-for-5 while the White Sox scored 11 runs Monday against the Royals.

 

Any team that signs Erstad to play regularly next year deserves its fate. Maybe he's still a gamer and a grinder, but he has a 644 OPS this season while in one of the game's better parks for offense half of the time.

 

 

Time to load up the shotgun and take Darin behind the barn.

[Gene Honda Civic]

No. 3 hitter Darin Erstad went 0-for-5 while the White Sox scored 11 runs Monday against the Royals.

 

Any team that signs Erstad to play regularly next year deserves its fate. Maybe he's still a gamer and a grinder, but he has a 644 OPS this season while in one of the game's better parks for offense half of the time.

Time to load up the shotgun and take Darin behind the barn.

Hey man, if he wasn't batting 3rd tonight, the Sox might still be batting in the 5th. He made 2/3rds of the outs that inning.

[hitlesswonder]

0% chance that happens next season.

 

If the only difference between that lineup and 2008 reality is that Rowand/Hunter is in CF, then I don't see a big difference (although maybe not a last place team). And if one of those guys is in CF, I wouldn't be surprised if Erstad or Owens is the starting LF. Ozzie has to get his official leadoff hitter. In fact, tonight Ozzie said that it's not a sure thing Fields will be with the Sox in 2008.

 

[witesoxfan]

If the only difference between that lineup and 2008 reality is that Rowand/Hunter is in CF, then I don't see a big difference (although maybe not a last place team). And if one of those guys is in CF, I wouldn't be surprised if Erstad or Owens is the starting LF. Ozzie has to get his official leadoff hitter. In fact, tonight Ozzie said that it's not a sure thing Fields will be with the Sox in 2008.

 

I think you're looking at a different shortstop too.

[NorthSideSox72]

Owens makes a pretty ideal 4th OF. And if they just cannot get a solid CF, but are able to upgrade heavily elsewhere (SS particularly as well as the bench), I am in the small camp that thinks Owens is not the end of the world in CF.

 

He actually did something last night I've never seen him do, and it goes to address one of the two important criticisms of him - a lack of power. The box score shows 2 singles. But if you watched the game, he actually hit both balls really hard. Baby step, but indeed that's the first I've seen that. His swing is different now than it was. I'll be curious to see if Owens strings together a bunch of 2B's and 3B's the rest of the year. He's been able to improve in other aspects of his game - I think there is a good chance he could improve in power as well.

 

The other major problem with him of course is his arm. That is still substandard, but he was also battling an injury.

 

Is Owens scheduled to play in the fall league?

 

[Gregory Pratt]

Owens makes a pretty ideal 4th OF. And if they just cannot get a solid CF, but are able to upgrade heavily elsewhere (SS particularly as well as the bench), I am in the small camp that thinks Owens is not the end of the world in CF.

 

He actually did something last night I've never seen him do, and it goes to address one of the two important criticisms of him - a lack of power. The box score shows 2 singles. But if you watched the game, he actually hit both balls really hard. Baby step, but indeed that's the first I've seen that. His swing is different now than it was. I'll be curious to see if Owens strings together a bunch of 2B's and 3B's the rest of the year. He's been able to improve in other aspects of his game - I think there is a good chance he could improve in power as well.

 

The other major problem with him of course is his arm. That is still substandard, but he was also battling an injury.

 

Is Owens scheduled to play in the fall league?

 

You got on me for saying that, "If you watch Floyd's starts, the box score says blank but really, he gave up some incredibly hard hit balls in a cavernous ballpark. It really wasn't that impressive." Now you're taking the opposite position with Owens: "The boxscore says singles, but he hit those really, really hard. Baby steps!" What's the difference?

 

We'll see if he can "string together" some doubles and triples, but I doubt it unless he's significantly changed his workout regimen. And actually, I've kidded wite, among others, that we have a bunch of players in the minor leagues who could use some steroids. I mean, I'm just kidding, but we have some "weak" offensive outfielders. (Sweeney, Owens.)

[NorthSideSox72]

You got on me for saying that, "If you watch Floyd's starts, the box score says blank but really, he gave up some incredibly hard hit balls in a cavernous ballpark. It really wasn't that impressive." Now you're taking the opposite position with Owens: "The boxscore says singles, but he hit those really, really hard. Baby steps!" What's the difference?

 

We'll see if he can "string together" some doubles and triples, but I doubt it unless he's significantly changed his workout regimen. And actually, I've kidded wite, among others, that we have a bunch of players in the minor leagues who could use some steroids. I mean, I'm just kidding, but we have some "weak" offensive outfielders. (Sweeney, Owens.)

Actually, I am taking the exact same position on Owens I have on Floyd - give them a chance to show their stuff, and they might actually improve. Just like you've taken the exact same stance on those two (and Richar, and Fields...) - they suck, they always will, that's that, I'm done with this thread.

 

[Gregory Pratt]

Actually, I am taking the exact same position on Owens I have on Floyd - give them a chance to show their stuff, and they might actually improve. Just like you've taken the exact same stance on those two (and Richar, and Fields...) - they suck, they always will, that's that, I'm done with this thread.

 

I have never said that Fields and Richar suck and always will. I have said that about Owens and Floyd. But it goes to show why I dislike debating you. Where on Earth do you get the idea that I think Fields and Richar suck and always will? Or that I don't believe in giving them a shot? Now you're just making things up.

[NorthSideSox72]

I have never said that Fields and Richar suck and always will. I have said that about Owens and Floyd. But it goes to show why I dislike debating you. Where on Earth do you get the idea that I think Fields and Richar suck and always will? Or that I don't believe in giving them a shot? Now you're just making things up.

 

Example:

 

If he doesn't learn to rip a fastball, particularly the inside fastball, he's going to lose his power numbers which is his game right now. He'd better adapt and shorten up by next season or else he's going to find himself sucking at baseball. Not to be a downer, I like Fields a lot, but his strikeouts, inability to hit a fastball and opposite field blasts tell me there are significant changes to be made for him or the pitchers are going to eat him alive.

 

Here you say his only game is power, and that as soon as the league figure out this hole, he's going to suck. Your words - sucking at baseball.

 

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but, all four of these players have continued to get better as the season has gone on. I don't expect anyone to think that these guys are all going to be big time star players, but, I do think that their performance thus far tells you they MIGHT be. Fortunately, most baseball men are willing to give players that chance to perform.