University of Florida Student Tasered at Sen. Kerry Forum

[sox4lifeinPA]

Another Douche College Student Gets Tasered

 

amongst the past times this kid lists

"getting wasted" and "being ridiculous."

 

 

 

Give him an extra tase from PA. What a weiner toucher.

[NorthSideSox72]

I was wondering when this would get posted. What's funny is, if you just read the news stories about it, you get the impression this kid was just asking some tough questions, then suddenly the cops grabbed him and tasered him. But if you watch the video of what actually happened, you see what an asshole this kid really was.

 

[BigSqwert]

Handcuffing and taking him away would have been sufficient IMO.

[Texsox]

^^ ^^

[southsider2k5]

The kid got exactly what he deserved. If you start to resist and fight off the cops, they are going to have to take control of the situation in one form or another. Judging by the questions he was asking, and the way he reacted when he was asked to leave, he was looking for the attention and had this pretty well planned out.

[BigSqwert]

Was the taser necessary?

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/12/...ain648859.shtml

[Texsox]

The kid got exactly what he deserved. If you start to resist and fight off the cops, they are going to have to take control of the situation in one form or another. Judging by the questions he was asking, and the way he reacted when he was asked to leave, he was looking for the attention and had this pretty well planned out.

 

He deserved to get arrested. We expect the police to exert the amount of violence necessary to accomplish that goal. When the efforts of the police greatly exceed what is necessary, we reign the police back in. At the minimum it seems there should be an investigation.

[NorthSideSox72]

Was the taser necessary?

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/12/...ain648859.shtml

Have you watched the WHOLE video? Its on YouTube I think, and elsewhere. Not sure that CBS clip shows it all.

 

It wasn't necessary at first. But the kid resisted, repeatedly, wouldn't leave, tried swinging at the cops, tried the dead body routine, etc. Finally, when he just wouldn't budge, they tasered him so he could be cuffed and removed.

 

I think its a judgement call, but I think the cops did what was necessary to get him in cuffs so they could get him out of the room.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

He deserved to get arrested. We expect the police to exert the amount of violence necessary to accomplish that goal. When the efforts of the police greatly exceed what is necessary, we reign the police back in. At the minimum it seems there should be an investigation.

Which is already underway. And I agree that there should be, given the nature of the incident. Just to make sure.

 

[southsider2k5]

The kid got exactly what he deserved. If you start to resist and fight off the cops, they are going to have to take control of the situation in one form or another. Judging by the questions he was asking, and the way he reacted when he was asked to leave, he was looking for the attention and had this pretty well planned out.

 

If this is true, it only ads fuel to the fire in my eyes that he planned it.

 

http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918...3/BREAKING_NEWS

 

 

Police report student told them: 'You didn't do anything wrong'

 

BY ALICE WALLACE

The Gainesville Sun

 

5:52 p.m.

GAINESVILLE - Police have released the incident report detailing the Tasering of a University of Florida student during a campus forum with Sen. John Kerry Monday, and the officer who actually Tasered Andrew Meyer wrote in the report that Meyer later told police, "You didn't do anything wrong."

 

In the 12-page report, which gives accounts of the incident from the perspective of eight different officers who were present Monday afternoon, Officer Nicole Mallo writes that Meyer would only resist officers when cameras were present.

 

"As (Meyer) was escorted down stairs (at the University Auditorium) with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down stairs he started screaming and yelling again," Mallo wrote.

 

Mallo was one of two officers who actually rode in the vehicle as Meyer was escorted to the Alachua County jail, and she said said he told them during the ride: "I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong, you were just trying to do your job," according to Mallo's account.

 

Mallo also wrote in her report that he asked, at one point, if cameras would be present at the jail.

 

The report details the events leading up to Meyer's arrest, saying that Meyer was in line to ask a question of Sen. Kerry when it was decided that no more questions would be allowed.

 

Meyer continued down the aisle toward Sen. Kerry angrily, according to police, saying he wanted the senator to answer his question because he had been waiting for two hours.

 

Though Sen. Kerry directed that Meyer be allowed to ask his question, police reported that Meyer did not ask any specific question and instead "badgered" the senator, and at one point said something about President Clinton being impeached over a sexual act.

 

At that point, police reported that ACCENT Director Max Tyroler turned off Meyer's microphone and asked police to escort him out of the auditorium, saying, "He had said enough," according to Officer Mallo's report.

 

Officers then proceeded to attempt to remove Meyer from the room, but when he resisted, they placed him on the ground and tried to handcuff him. The six officers who actually took part in holding Meyer down while he was being handcuffed reported that they were only able to get a handcuff on his right hand because he was squirming so much.

 

The supervising officer, Sgt. Eddie King, attempted to Taser Meyer on his chest, but he reported that his Taser would not deploy. He then instructed Mallo to Taser Meyer, and she Tasered him on his shoulder, according to one of the officer's report.

 

The officers were then able to fully handcuff Meyer and escort him from the building. Each of the six officers reported that Meyer yelled things like, "They're going to kill me," and, "They are giving me to the government," while he was being taken from the room

 

[kapkomet]

He just should have politely asked the cameras to be turned off, and then he would have become the pacifist that deep down he really was.

[Gregory Pratt]

I don't feel bad for the kid but I worry about tasers someday giving someone a heart attack. But this kid? Nah. I'd give him a good taze, too.

[EvilMonkey]

Kinda wierd how Kerry made mention that he didn't know the kid was tasered until AFTER he left. He couldn't see or hear him screaming "don't taser me! Don't taser me! ", and then his screams when he finally got what he deserved?

[BigSqwert]

Kinda wierd how Kerry made mention that he didn't know the kid was tasered until AFTER he left. He couldn't see or hear him screaming "don't taser me! Don't taser me! ", and then his screams when he finally got what he deserved?

Did it all take place in the same room? They didn't pull the kid into the hallway? I didn't see the video.

[NorthSideSox72]

Did it all take place in the same room? They didn't pull the kid into the hallway? I didn't see the video.

That's just it - he wouldn't leave. Go to CNN, they have a link to the actual, full video.

 

[Balta1701]

That's just it - he wouldn't leave. Go to CNN, they have a link to the actual, full video.

Or ya know, just stay here.

 

[southsider2k5]

Did it all take place in the same room? They didn't pull the kid into the hallway? I didn't see the video.

 

So wait a sec, you are telling me that the police didn't react correctly, but you didn't even watch the video?

[BigSqwert]

So wait a sec, you are telling me that the police didn't react correctly, but you didn't even watch the video?

Yes I did. I am going out of my way to make you miserable with all my posts.

 

And fyi I watched a partial clip of the video so I didn't see if they pulled him into the hall or another room. I still stand by my thoughts that they used excessive force. This wasn't the middle linebacker from the Florida football team they were dealing with. The number of cops I saw in the video should have easily been able to handcuff this imbecile.

Edited September 19, 2007 by BigSqwert

[kapkomet]

Yes I did. I am going out of my way to make you miserable with all my posts.

 

And fyi I watched a partial clip of the video so I didn't see if they pulled him into the hall or another room. I still stand by my thoughts that they used excessive force. This wasn't the middle linebacker from the Florida football team they were dealing with. The number of cops I saw in the video should have easily been able to handcuff this imbecile.

 

STOP THE VIOLENCE!

 

Peace, love, and hippie s***. :wub:

 

*yawn*

 

Now seriously, if the guy had this planned out, it was going to happen whether there was 1 cop or 25.

[NorthSideSox72]

Yes I did. I am going out of my way to make you miserable with all my posts.

 

And fyi I watched a partial clip of the video so I didn't see if they pulled him into the hall or another room. I still stand by my thoughts that they used excessive force. This wasn't the middle linebacker from the Florida football team they were dealing with. The number of cops I saw in the video should have easily been able to handcuff this imbecile.

Let me tell you something, from experience. This guy looked somewhere in the area of average to slightly larger than average. Say, he's 6' and 200. Taking a guy like that out of a room, through people and chairs and other nonsense... when he is flailing his arms and legs, swinging at you, then eventually becoming dead weight... is not easy. And it doesn't even necessarily matter how many officers there are, because once you get more than about 3, the others are little help.

 

Also... a taser is a non-deadly weapon that does not cause any permanent damage. If it was difficult to get him into the cuffs, would you rather they had used a baton? PR-24 maybe? How about OC Spray, so that everyone around could get sick too? Heck they were trying to use arm locks it looks like, but if you take those too far the wrong direction, you can break an arm. Or maybe they take his legs and drag him kicking and screaming along the floor - how would that have gone over? The use of the taser was probably the least harmful thing they could have done in that situation. And that is the standard to live up to - they should use that level of force necessary to affect arrest. I think they did that.

 

[Balta1701]

Also... a taser is a non-deadly weapon that does not cause any permanent damage. If it was difficult to get him into the cuffs, would you rather they had used a baton? PR-24 maybe? How about OC Spray, so that everyone around could get sick too? Heck they were trying to use arm locks it looks like, but if you take those too far the wrong direction, you can break an arm. Or maybe they take his legs and drag him kicking and screaming along the floor - how would that have gone over? The use of the taser was probably the least harmful thing they could have done in that situation. And that is the standard to live up to - they should use that level of force necessary to affect arrest. I think they did that.

Not wanting to get into whether or not the taser was appropriate in this circumstance...let me just say that stating a taser is a non deadly weapon is simply false. In a majority of cases it is non-deadly...but there are more than a few cases where it actually does wind up being deadly, especially in cases of pre-existing conditions. Sending that much voltage through a person's heart is not a healthy thing to do, and it can kill a person. Drudge even has a link up right below the Kerry story today of a person who died after being hit repeatedly by a taser.

[kapkomet]

Not wanting to get into whether or not the taser was appropriate in this circumstance...let me just say that stating a taser is a non deadly weapon is simply false. In a majority of cases it is non-deadly...but there are more than a few cases where it actually does wind up being deadly, especially in cases of pre-existing conditions. Sending that much voltage through a person's heart is not a healthy thing to do, and it can kill a person. Drudge even has a link up right below the Kerry story today of a person who died after being hit repeatedly by a taser.

Um, hmmmm.

 

[BigSqwert]

Not wanting to get into whether or not the taser was appropriate in this circumstance...let me just say that stating a taser is a non deadly weapon is simply false. In a majority of cases it is non-deadly...but there are more than a few cases where it actually does wind up being deadly, especially in cases of pre-existing conditions. Sending that much voltage through a person's heart is not a healthy thing to do, and it can kill a person. Drudge even has a link up right below the Kerry story today of a person who died after being hit repeatedly by a taser.

That's also why I added that link in post #6.

[mr_genius]

Um, hmmmm.

 

don't question it. obviously tazering an old lady in a wheel chair 10 times is exactly the same thing as what happened at the University of Florida. thats why the link is important. it's a perfectly logical direction for this thread to go.

 

 

tazering the kid was sort of a cop-out (pun intended). they should have just dragged him out kicking and screaming like a spoiled little kid who's parents gave him timeout from his nintendo. oh the humanity!

Edited September 19, 2007 by mr_genius

[NorthSideSox72]

Not wanting to get into whether or not the taser was appropriate in this circumstance...let me just say that stating a taser is a non deadly weapon is simply false. In a majority of cases it is non-deadly...but there are more than a few cases where it actually does wind up being deadly, especially in cases of pre-existing conditions. Sending that much voltage through a person's heart is not a healthy thing to do, and it can kill a person. Drudge even has a link up right below the Kerry story today of a person who died after being hit repeatedly by a taser.

Balta, you are wrong on this one. The phrase "non-deadly weapon" does not mean it 100% will never kill anyone. It means that the millions and millions of times it is used, only a very small number of people died, as a result of some pre-existing condition (like the severely overweight dude in Cincinnati a while back). Similarly, OC spray, mace and tear gas are classified as non-deadly weapons - even though there have been a few isolated incidents where people died. Further, people sometimes die in police custody when no weapons are used at all - some have even gone so far as to give that situation a name: Custody Death Syndrome.

 

Think this through to its conclusion - if you are going to consider tasers deadly weapons, then so to are mace, tear gas, batons, saps, handcuffs, leg irons and pretty much every other implement used by a cop. If you call all those deadly weapons, they what they heck is a cop supposed to do with someone resisting arrest?

 

The taser is a non-deadly weapon with non-permanent damaging effect in 99.99% of situations, therefore, it is in the same category (though a step up on the force continuum) as many types of manual restraint.