Cedric Benson and Rex Grossman both suck

[Sonik22]

I know the draft isn't for a while but.......

 

Brian Brohm QB Louisville

 

Colt Brennan QB Hawaii

 

John David Booty QB USC

 

Andre Woodson QB Kentucky

 

Matt Ryan QB BC

 

Dennis Dixon QB Oregon He's only a Junior but he's awesome!

 

Nick Hill QB Southern Illinois :wub: I think he could be a decent pro. He should get some looks from pro scouts. Look at Tony Romo.

 

All>>>>>>>>>>>Grossman

[RockRaines]

I want Woodson. Hes a freak

[Balta1701]

It's going to be incredibly disappointing if the Bears have to spend a high draft pick on a QB this year. Esp. given the state of their O-Line.

[witesoxfan]

I don't think anyone is expecting Griese to be pro bowl caliber but he's better than Rex who is probably the worst starting qb in the league right now.

 

If I had to choose between JP Losman and Rex Grossman, I'd probably have to call Drew Bledsoe and see what he's been doing.

 

I want Woodson. Hes a freak

 

I think he's got to be the #1 QB on the board right now, though it is only like week 4 or 5. He's so damn good.

[StrangeSox]

Here's what a wrote in an email to a group of friends this morning:

 

Meh, typical s***ty Bears loss. I pretty much expected this to happen. However I do think that Rex gets too much of the blame.

 

1. IMO he threw one bad interception - the one returned for a touchdown. The first one he let go of the ball before the receiver broke. It was similiar to his pick in the Chargers game where the receiver didn't run to the spot he was supposed to run too. The last one wasn't a surprise, he was just throwing it up hoping to get something going.

 

 

The TE (think it was Clark) was WIDE open down the middle on th Williams'. Rex, as usual, was locked onto his target of choice the entire play and threw it into double or triple coverage.

[StrangeSox]

There was little pressure-we put "paws" on him when he ran into our defense-D lineman had ONE tackle eack-thats pathetic

 

They just stopped running the ball period. Defensive linemen aren't going to get all that many tackles if the only thing they're doing is passing 10 yards down field.

 

The rush seemed to disappear late, but it was there in the first half. Romo was just able to avoid it. Unlike Rex, who literally walked/ waddled into it at least once.

[Texsox]

Yes, let's ignore Grossman's career 69.3 QB ratings vs. Brian Greise's career 84.5.

 

IDENTICAL.

 

Here's a combo to unlock this mystery 97-79-62

[thedoctor]

i'm all for giving griese a shot, but honestly i don't really think it is going to make much of a difference. if we had tons of offensive talent that wasn't being tapped because of grossman's issues, maybe i'd feel differently. somehow, though, i expect we're just going to end up with an immobile quarterback who throws a lot of picks, i.e., more of the same.

[RockRaines]

Speaking of offensive talent. Is there a Musin Muhammed out there somewhere?

[StrangeSox]

Speaking of offensive talent. Is there a Musin Muhammed out there somewhere?

 

He's hidden somewhere behind those three defensive backs.

[Jenksismyhero]

i'm all for giving griese a shot, but honestly i don't really think it is going to make much of a difference. if we had tons of offensive talent that wasn't being tapped because of grossman's issues, maybe i'd feel differently. somehow, though, i expect we're just going to end up with an immobile quarterback who throws a lot of picks, i.e., more of the same.

 

 

Personally I think Griese is going to be worse. Sure he might not throw as many interceptions, but we'll revert back to the Orton offensive days of having 5 yard passes and lots and lots of punts. At least with Rex there's the chance he'll make a 15+ yard pass.

 

And I looked up the stats of QB rating for the first few years of a lot of pro-bowl qb's (manning, brady, montana, favre, elway, etc) Save for Montana and Brady, just about everyone else had a sub 75 qb rating their first year. Favre went something like 72, 84, 71, 69. If the Bears D was average, this qb situation wouldn't exist. But because the Bears D is good, everyone assumes Rex is to blame. I think the entire offense is to blame.

 

 

[Balta1701]

Personally I think Griese is going to be worse. Sure he might not throw as many interceptions, but we'll revert back to the Orton offensive days of having 5 yard passes and lots and lots of punts. At least with Rex there's the chance he'll make a 15+ yard pass.

 

And I looked up the stats of QB rating for the first few years of a lot of pro-bowl qb's (manning, brady, montana, favre, elway, etc) Save for Montana and Brady, just about everyone else had a sub 75 qb rating their first year. Favre went something like 72, 84, 71, 69. If the Bears D was average, this qb situation wouldn't exist. But because the Bears D is good, everyone assumes Rex is to blame. I think the entire offense is to blame.

If all Griese does is complete a few of those 5 yard passes, it might help. Anything to open up the running game. Just get the ball in a damn receiver's hands.

 

At this point, of course it's the entire offense. Unfortunately, you can't change every single player there. You do have another option at QB, and a couple other receiver options you can go to. Might as well try a few of them.

[thedoctor]

so where does everything think orton fits in all of this? yeah, he wasn't great in his first tour, but what rookie quarterback is? does he have a future with this organization or is he just end of the roster fodder?

[Balta1701]

so where does everything think orton fits in all of this? yeah, he wasn't great in his first tour, but what rookie quarterback is? does he have a future with this organization or is he just end of the roster fodder?

I don't think this Organization can possibly go with Orton and Griese as its only 2 quarterbacks going in to next season. You have to sign or draft or trade for someone. However, assuming the Bears do not acquire a current NFL starting QB (i.e. McNabb) this offseason, I think you try to give Orton some reps once games are over or once the season is decided to be a complete loss. Possibly even a start or two if things wind up really bad. Then, you call it open in training camp next year, between Orton, Griese, and your rookie, and whoever earns the spot gets it.

[Steve9347]

I don't think this Organization can possibly go with Orton and Griese as its only 2 quarterbacks going in to next season. You have to sign or draft or trade for someone. However, assuming the Bears do not acquire a current NFL starting QB (i.e. McNabb) this offseason, I think you try to give Orton some reps once games are over or once the season is decided to be a complete loss. Possibly even a start or two if things wind up really bad. Then, you call it open in training camp next year, between Orton, Griese, and your rookie, and whoever earns the spot gets it.

They will draft someone in the second round out of a small school (think a Charlie Frye type)... their first rounder MUST go to O-Line.

 

I know they couldn't PR-wise, but Byron Leftwich would have been a nice retread to try to fix here. I wanted him bad coming out of school, and I really don't see how he can already be considered a bust (aside from injuries) when he played with a pretty woeful receiver corps and managed an 80.5 QB rating (not hideous). I think with reliable receivers that completion percentage would have soared past 60...

 

anyway, that's a different discussion altogether.

[Balta1701]

They will draft someone in the second round out of a small school (think a Charlie Frye type)... their first rounder MUST go to O-Line.

 

I know they couldn't PR-wise, but Byron Leftwich would have been a nice retread to try to fix here. I wanted him bad coming out of school, and I really don't see how he can already be considered a bust (aside from injuries) when he played with a pretty woeful receiver corps and managed an 80.5 QB rating (not hideous). I think with reliable receivers that completion percentage would have soared past 60...

It's not just PR-Wise...the Bears right now have the lowest amount of cap space in the NFL this season after signing Vasher and Tillman to extensions. Until we move onto next year's NFL calendar and start talking about next year's cap, the Bears literally could not have signed him.

[Steve9347]

It's not just PR-Wise...the Bears right now have the lowest amount of cap space in the NFL this season after signing Vasher and Tillman to extensions. Until we move onto next year's NFL calendar and start talking about next year's cap, the Bears literally could not have signed him.

well, seemingly if you sign him, you could cut rex, correct?

 

eh, i dont know how the financials work, ill take your word for it.

[Balta1701]

well, seemingly if you sign him, you could cut rex, correct?

 

eh, i dont know how the financials work, ill take your word for it.

I'm also fairly certain that if you cut Rex, you still take the cap hit for the remaining time on his contract, so really the Bears don't have a way of clearing that space as I understand the game.

[ZoomSlowik]

They will draft someone in the second round out of a small school (think a Charlie Frye type)... their first rounder MUST go to O-Line.

 

I know they couldn't PR-wise, but Byron Leftwich would have been a nice retread to try to fix here. I wanted him bad coming out of school, and I really don't see how he can already be considered a bust (aside from injuries) when he played with a pretty woeful receiver corps and managed an 80.5 QB rating (not hideous). I think with reliable receivers that completion percentage would have soared past 60...

 

anyway, that's a different discussion altogether.

 

It's a good theory, but I don't really know how much better he'd work out here. Granted he's bigger and has a better arm, but he's a statue in the pocket as well. Given the state of our line, he'd still have some problems.

[DrunkBomber]

I'm also fairly certain that if you cut Rex, you still take the cap hit for the remaining time on his contract, so really the Bears don't have a way of clearing that space as I understand the game.

If they cut Rex they would only have to take a hit of the 1 year prorated amount of his signing bonus which wouldnt have been to big but we know they wouldnt do that in case something happened to Griese I dont know how confident they are in Orton.