kapkomet Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 01:18 PM) I'm just saying it will be used as a partisan attack piece. You of all people should recognize that what Obama said during the election campaign may not become reality once he became President. Can you provide link for that quote too? That's laughable dude. So he LIED about that? LMAO. Please. Google the San Fransisco Chronicle interview from January 17, 2008 - the one about him going to bankrupt the coal industry. It's in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 01:53 PM) That's laughable dude. So he LIED about that? LMAO. Please. Google the San Fransisco Chronicle interview from January 17, 2008 - the one about him going to bankrupt the coal industry. It's in there. That interview is not the issue here. Do you really think your electricity prices are going to skyrocket because of a weak and perhaps ineffectual bill? If anything these types of bills tend to at first implement an a easy to achieve cap and make it stronger and stronger over time (in years). Hence, you've got all the time in the world to get your act together, and will only have yourself to blame if you suffer. Oh, and about those home audits. A section in HR 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act, which narrowly passed a US House of Representatives vote Friday, falls short of mandating an energy audit on homes, according to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. http://www.housingwire.com/2009/06/30/home...and-trade-bill/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 (edited) I love the argument that it won't change my life anytime soon.... Guess what, I'm 18 and plan on being around for a lot longer. It's gonna affect me and everyone else at some point. I guess if your 92 years old or have a death wise, you really don't have to worry about this stuff, but because it might not effect me in the short term doesn't really please me all that much. In fact, I know my life won't change in the short term. It's the long term that's got me worried. Enormous amounts of debt, hyper-inflation looming if we don't stop printing money, bills that do nothing but tax me, government telling me what type of car to buy and what type of medical treatment I do and don't need, etc... It all adds for a very rough time for everyone. Edited July 4, 2009 by BearSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:18 PM) I love the argument that it won't change my life anytime soon.... Guess what, I'm 18 and plan on being around for a lot longer. It's gonna affect me and everyone else at some point. I guess if your 92 years old or have a death wise, you really don't have to worry about this stuff, but because it might not effect me in the short term doesn't really please me all that much. In fact, I know my life won't change in the short term. It's the long term that's got me worried. Enormous amounts of debt, hyper-inflation looming if we don't stop printing money, bills that do nothing but tax me, government telling me what type of car to buy and what type of medical treatment I do and don't need, etc... It all adds for a very rough time for everyone. Being young, all the more reason you should be thinking long term. All the more reason to support alternative energy push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I do like that you're still talking about hyper-inflation when even Kap is agreeing with me that we're pushing dangerously close to deflation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:23 PM) I do like that you're still talking about hyper-inflation when even Kap is agreeing with me that we're pushing dangerously close to deflation. I disagree. I don't see us stopping at a trillion dollars, and I think we will keep printing money hoping to get out of the soon to be depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 05:26 PM) I disagree. I don't see us stopping at a trillion dollars, and I think we will keep printing money hoping to get out of the soon to be depression. Frankly, it'd be the right move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:20 PM) Being young, all the more reason you should be thinking long term. All the more reason to support alternative energy push. I got no problem with alternative energy sources. I've said plenty of times to put a lot of money into all the fields and basically throw s*** at the wall and see what sticks. However, until we find a suitable replacement, we shouldn't consider oil, coal, etc. as evil and not to be used. Also, I'd like to see more nuclear energy power plants built, a virtually limitless energy source (right?) to provide us power.... but all the liberals hate that for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:27 PM) Frankly, it'd be the right move. Why, so we can buy a loaf of bread for 150 dollars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:27 PM) Frankly, it'd be the right move. Well, I agree, and I disagree. Wages, employment, and all of that is running down, yet, our costs of things are starting to run back up. That's the issue. In the short term, we are going to see a deflationary period - followed by VERY sharp inflation. I don't see a long term deflationary cycle, except in the wages and employment areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 05:30 PM) Why, so we can buy a loaf of bread for 150 dollars? It would make the debt suddenly not matter. Anyway, no, so that we don't fall in to a 1990's Japan or 1930's world style deflationary contraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:31 PM) It would make the debt suddenly not matter. Anyway, no, so that we don't fall in to a 1990's Japan or 1930's world style deflationary contraction. It would also make the dollar and the gold standard not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:33 PM) It would also make the dollar and the gold standard not matter. You do realize that is where we're heading towards, right? I think that's part of the deal here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 05:33 PM) It would also make the dollar and the gold standard not matter. We haven't been on the gold standard since 1971? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:35 PM) We haven't been on the gold standard since 1971? Shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:34 PM) You do realize that is where we're heading towards, right? I think that's part of the deal here. I do realize it, but there's still a small amount of hope in me that one day all liberal progressives wake up, and realize how stupid they've been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:41 PM) Shut up. Dude, seriously, get real. If you're going to mock crap, at least have your facts right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:43 PM) Dude, seriously, get real. If you're going to mock crap, at least have your facts right. I realize I was wrong and tried to add some comic relief... I guess it didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 05:44 PM) I realize I was wrong and tried to add some comic relief... I guess it didn't work. Ok, so you're saying you get your own show on Fox News then? Weekend or weekday? (You gotta give me that one, that was golden!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:47 PM) Ok, so you're saying you get your own show on Fox News then? Weekend or weekday? (You gotta give me that one, that was golden!) I'll give you that one.... but that is only one battle in a very large war! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:44 PM) I realize I was wrong and tried to add some comic relief... I guess it didn't work. Um, ok, I got it now. Shut up!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 09:10 PM) Um, ok, I got it now. Shut up!?!?! I lol'd a little, I took it as him just asking not-so-nicely for a mea culpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 3, 2009 -> 07:18 PM) I love the argument that it won't change my life anytime soon.... Guess what, I'm 18 and plan on being around for a lot longer. It's gonna affect me and everyone else at some point. I guess if your 92 years old or have a death wise, you really don't have to worry about this stuff, but because it might not effect me in the short term doesn't really please me all that much. In fact, I know my life won't change in the short term. It's the long term that's got me worried. Enormous amounts of debt, hyper-inflation looming if we don't stop printing money, bills that do nothing but tax me, government telling me what type of car to buy and what type of medical treatment I do and don't need, etc... It all adds for a very rough time for everyone. I don't know about all that other crap but it's certainly not beyond the bounds of personal responsibility for an individual to greatly reduce their energy use. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Jul 4, 2009 -> 12:13 PM) I don't know about all that other crap but it's certainly not beyond the bounds of personal responsibility for an individual to greatly reduce their energy use. Period. I'll use as much freaking energy as I freaking please. It's my money, and I'll be damned if the government tells me what the hell I should do with. If I want a gas guzzling SUV, I'm getting me one. Cause you know what, I'd prefer to have a lot of steel between me and all the idiots on the road. And if I want to go with the safer incandescent light bulbs because I don't want the mercury possibly effecting my home and family, guess what, I'll use the incandescent light bulbs. And if I want to the AC to be on all summer, guess what, I'm gonna have the AC on all summer. Cause you know why, it's my money and my freedom. Go save all the trees you want, nobody is telling me what to do with my money. Just cause you feel like it's your responsibility to be greener doesn't mean it's mine and everyone else's. Edited July 4, 2009 by BearSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Well, that's certainly one way to make sure that the planet runs out. And that you have very, very little money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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