kapkomet Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 08:29 AM) Wow. You must be a scientist. About as much of one as anybody else that's drinking the "man is destroying the earth, droolz!" koolaid. Or, to say it another way, about as much as the Goracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 09:09 AM) About as much of one as anybody else that's drinking the "man is destroying the earth, droolz!" koolaid. Or, to say it another way, about as much as the Goracle. You're not even trying anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 09:09 AM) You're not even trying anymore. Gosh... I should take my man made disaster and go home, then... wait a minute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 10:12 AM) Gosh... I should take my man made disaster and go home, then... wait a minute... Man made disaster = these posts, I assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 09:52 AM) Man made disaster = these posts, I assume? Something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 This is a pretty good write-up on the behind-the-scenes stuff at Copenhagen. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009...ange-mark-lynas Summary: China deliberately sabotaged the whole thing and made it so that Obama and the West were left holding the bag as the ones that blew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 24, 2009 -> 09:27 AM) This is a pretty good write-up on the behind-the-scenes stuff at Copenhagen. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009...ange-mark-lynas Summary: China deliberately sabotaged the whole thing and made it so that Obama and the West were left holding the bag as the ones that blew it. It's all about the money. As it stand s now, China makes out like a bandit with each new plant it build, and each new plant it doesn't build. If it builds a plant using newer technology, it gets the difference in carbon emmisions from new vs old as carbon credits, that it then sells to all the 'rich' countries to help ease their carbon guilt. And in doing so, Algore and the others who push these schemes the most, make a little commission on the deal. So China, who is building power plants anyways, gets paper wealth handed to them by the UN group thaty handles that crap. Then they sell those to Western companies for real dollars. Why WOULD they want to change anything? As if they dont get enough of our money as it is, thanks to all the carbon trading ecofreaks, they get even more moeny from the west. be prepared to bow to our Chinese overlords. And just a slightly different though: Every time they mention that the 'rich' nations need to pony up cash for all the poor, struggling developing countries, how come China and India are not classified as 'rich' yet? That is the biggest farce in all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Because the US is the most evil and RICH country in the world. Rich f***ers never shared their money, and they MUST pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kapkomet Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Santa believes CO2 emitting coal is only in the United States. The stuff the rest of the world burns is laughing gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Dec 25, 2009 -> 10:03 PM) Santa believes CO2 emitting coal is only in the United States. The stuff the rest of the world burns is laughing gas. Wait until it cap and trade bankrupts NWI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 26, 2009 -> 12:05 AM) Wait until it cap and trade bankrupts NWI. Wait until it's too hot and dry in Indiana to grow corn in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 27, 2009 -> 02:28 PM) Wait until it's too hot and dry in Indiana to grow corn in the summer. Its all right, once NIPSCO goes bankrupt, no one will have electricity anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 27, 2009 -> 04:46 PM) Its all right, once NIPSCO goes bankrupt, no one will have electricity anyway. You'll just have to stop eating that electrified corn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 On a recent trip to Big Bend in Texas, we found a community with most residents living "off the grid". http://www.offgridintexas.com/challenge.html Using wind and solar, catching rainwater, propane, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Nine countries in Europe combine resources to build an energy network, connecting wind, solar and wave power sites around the North Sea and northern Europe, in order to make better and more complete use of renewable energy. Since it uses various types of power spread over the network, it should create a more even keel energy source on net. Very nice. Cost, however, is expected to be $43B. This shows both the great potential and great cost of getting out energy infrastructure up to date here, if we wanted to. Unfortunately, we are falling behind, and when we actually have to do it, we will have lost an opportunity to also make some money at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Chinese company, backed in part by Berkshire Hathaway, looking to make inroads into the U.S. electric car market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 The Environmental Protection Agency on Thursday proposed stricter health standards for smog, replacing a Bush-era limit that ran counter to scientific recommendations. Article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Bush-era limit that ran counter to scientific recommendations Shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 This is a good start, but not enough: Obama unveils combined public and private spending plan to inject about $8B into clean energy tax credits for tech and manufacturing companies, said to create 58,000 jobs. Linky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Saving and Creating, Baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 05:18 PM) Saving and Creating, Baby. I don't care what the exact number of jobs is. That sort of thing has to be our future, or we will be in deep s*** long term (as opposed to short term, where we are already in deep s***). We should be spending 10's of times this amount on similar efforts, and should have spent that much less on temporary construction jobs in the Stimulus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 06:51 PM) I don't care what the exact number of jobs is. That sort of thing has to be our future, or we will be in deep s*** long term (as opposed to short term, where we are already in deep s***). We should be spending 10's of times this amount on similar efforts, and should have spent that much less on temporary construction jobs in the Stimulus. We only really spent a pittance on construction jobs in the stimulus too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Smaller-elec...335045.html?x=0 Smaller, electric cars reign at Detroit auto show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 06:27 PM) We only really spent a pittance on construction jobs in the stimulus too. Now I'm curious - what exactly did all the money get spent on? I know some of it, but I'm wondering if anyone has found a good financial accounting of it, by category, anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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