Texsox Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 04:09 PM) Hey Mr. Pessimism. How many career starts of Greise's have you seen? Oh less then 10? Wait, less than 3!?!? Wow, at least you know what you are talking about. As I've touted countless times before, Griese is an improvement over Grossman, as you can plainly see with his 84.5 passer rating compared to Grossman's 69.3 rating. Griese also has a career TD/INT of +24 (on some rather bad teams, fyi), while Rex is a whopping -4. To say Griese is not an upgrade is to spout uneducated post after post after post. Career ratings are less meaningful without looking at the trend. 97-79-62 isn't very encouraging. I say go for it, but to predict he's noticibly better next week is a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 04:59 PM) Why would you let Orton go esp. since he's not a FA? I clearly think you're right on letting Grossman walk, and either drafting or trading for one before the start of next season, but I can't see how it makes sense to give up on a 3rd rounder who's been sitting on the bench for the better part of 2 seasons now without at least giving him a shot to be a backup again next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 04:59 PM) Why would you let Orton go esp. since he's not a FA? I clearly think you're right on letting Grossman walk, and either drafting or trading for one before the start of next season, but I can't see how it makes sense to give up on a 3rd rounder who's been sitting on the bench for the better part of 2 seasons now without at least giving him a shot to be a backup again next year. I guess I don't believe Orton is worth it, but, if he has another year under contract, then that's fine, keep him as a backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 05:06 PM) Career ratings are less meaningful without looking at the trend. 97-79-62 isn't very encouraging. I say go for it, but to predict he's noticibly better next week is a stretch. You're seriously going to count the 32 sporadic attempts he had with the 2nd team last year? Howsabout we do complete seasons? 76-103-79-86-98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 05:21 PM) You're seriously going to count the 32 sporadic attempts he had with the 2nd team last year? Howsabout we do complete seasons? 76-103-79-86-98 Fair enough. He hasn't played regularly in a couple years, and he's going to be so much better than Rex. I hope you are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 10:21 PM) Howsabout we do complete seasons? 76-103-79-86-98 I'm not too familiar with the Denver offenses that Griese led in Denver, but I can't imagine the talent around Griese being anywhere NEAR as good as it was in Denver. He's got no wide receivers, his backs can't pickup blitzes, the line is getting old and has been very hit-or-miss (mostly miss). The only thing Griese has on offense is a decent group of TEs (IMO -- I'm pretty fond of the Olsen/Clark combo). Also, the reason Grossman sucked can be placed squarely on my shoulders. I bought his jersey immediately after he was drafted so Rex was doomed to fail. Sorry bud... For the record, here's the jerseys I've bought: Marcus Robinson Anthony Thomas Rex Grossman Tuomo Ruutu (he's pegged for a big year but I'm sure he'll score 15 and get hurt) Joe Borchard From now on I don't think I'll buy any current-player jerseys. Edited September 25, 2007 by CWSGuy406 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 05:31 PM) I'm not too familiar with the Denver offenses that Griese led in Denver, but I can't imagine the talent around Griese being anywhere NEAR as good as it was in Denver. He's got no wide receivers, his backs can't pickup blitzes, the line is getting old and has been very hit-or-miss (mostly miss). The only thing Griese has on offense is a decent group of TEs (IMO -- I'm pretty fond of the Olsen/Clark combo). All the more reason to have an experienced QB like Griese in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 03:31 PM) I'm not too familiar with the Denver offenses that Griese led in Denver, but I can't imagine the talent around Griese being anywhere NEAR as good as it was in Denver. He's got no wide receivers, his backs can't pickup blitzes, the line is getting old and has been very hit-or-miss (mostly miss). The only thing Griese has on offense is a decent group of TEs (IMO -- I'm pretty fond of the Olsen/Clark combo). Also, the reason Grossman sucked can be placed squarely on my shoulders. I bought his jersey immediately after he was drafted so Rex was doomed to fail. Sorry bud... Benson has actually done a very good job picking up the blitz this year. Peterson, on the other hand, has been atrocious picking up the blitz and its assinine that he has continued to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 10:32 PM) All the more reason to have an experienced QB like Griese in there. I'm not saying going to Griese is the wrong move. I just don't believe using QB Rating with two completely different offenses is fair to bring up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 10:34 PM) Benson has actually done a very good job picking up the blitz this year. Not in the games I've been watching, he hasn't. Then again, I also thought Rex did a poor job of identifying blitzes before the snap. Let's see if things change under Griese. At the very least, I want to see more 'QB pointing' to players who might be blitzing. Even if that does nothing, it makes me feel a little bit more comfortable in my chair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 05:31 PM) For the record, here's the jerseys I've bought: Marcus Robinson Anthony Thomas Rex Grossman Tuomo Ruutu (he's pegged for a big year but I'm sure he'll score 15 and get hurt) Joe Borchard From now on I don't think I'll buy any current-player jerseys. Ouch, that's a tough run, I think i can match you though... Curtis Enis Anthony Thomas Mike Brown (I never get to enjoy this, though I guess it's still current) Steve Sullivan Ron Artest (BULLS) Tyson Chandler Brian Anderson I have an Urlacher jersey too, thank God, and a Sox jersey with my last name on it because I'll always be with the Sox, lol. I do plan on getting a Garret Wolfe Bears jersey, but that's because I went to NIU while he played there, so it'll stay cool forever to me. Other than that, I think I'm done, I've (as you can see) obviously been burned a few times. As for Griese, he did quite well in 2004 with a less than superb supporting cast around him in Tampa, so we'll see what he does this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 10:41 PM) Ouch, that's a tough run, I think i can match you though... Curtis Enis Anthony Thomas Mike Brown (I never get to enjoy this, though I guess it's still current) Steve Sullivan Ron Artest (BULLS) Tyson Chandler Brian Anderson I neglected to mention my Steve Sullivan (white) jersey and I also bought a Russian Anton Babchuk (former Hawks first rounder traded for Dan Richmond) jersey. I'm not too embarrassed about the Sullivan jersey -- I love tiny guys who manage to dominate their sport -- but the rest are looking crappy. My only hope at this point is Ruutu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 05:45 PM) I neglected to mention my Steve Sullivan (white) jersey and I also bought a Russian Anton Babchuk (former Hawks first rounder traded for Dan Richmond) jersey. I'm not too embarrassed about the Sullivan jersey -- I love tiny guys who manage to dominate their sport -- but the rest are looking crappy. My only hope at this point is Ruutu. Yeah, understood... it just sucked that the hawks of course got rid of him the MOMENT he would have needed cash. I remember Babchuk well, it was just two seasons ago. Of course, my next purchase will probably be a Toews jersey, hahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 05:51 PM) Yeah, understood... it just sucked that the hawks of course got rid of him the MOMENT he would have needed cash. I remember Babchuk well, it was just two seasons ago. Of course, my next purchase will probably be a Toews jersey, hahaha. Can't you buy a LaPointe jersey instead??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 10:54 PM) Can't you buy a LaPointe jersey instead??? I've already vowed to not even think about Havlat, Kane, Toews, Seabrook or Barker. If Ruutu can't bust my curse, I'll just wear the Sullivan jersey and weep gently every night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 I do hope this isn't a one and your done move. He's got to be "the" guy for at least the month of October. It's going to take at least a week or two for his game legs to get under him. We can't judge him on his next 32 attempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 06:08 PM) I do hope this isn't a one and your done move. He's got to be "the" guy for at least the month of October. It's going to take at least a week or two for his game legs to get under him. We can't judge him on his next 32 attempts. I can't think of a team I'd rather he start off against than the Detroit Lions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 05:54 PM) Can't you buy a LaPointe jersey instead??? There is no one that I hate more on the Hawks than Martin LaPointe. It stems from being an intern there 2 seasons ago... bleh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 06:13 PM) I can't think of a team I'd rather he start off against than the Detroit Lions. I am certain that comes into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 06:15 PM) I am certain that comes into play. In my fantasy league, I'm playing against an incredibly woeful team this week, so I picked up Brian Griese for a spot start. It's a joke that might pay off for like 10 points... haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 25, 2007 -> 11:30 PM) In my fantasy league, I'm playing against an incredibly woeful team this week, so I picked up Brian Griese for a spot start. It's a joke that might pay off for like 10 points... haha. I'm thinking about doing the same, since my QB is Drew "I f***ing suck as bad as Grossman" Brees. And I have Larry Johnson. Can you say the two biggest fantasy busts this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 26, 2007 Author Share Posted September 26, 2007 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Sep 26, 2007 -> 08:48 AM) I'm thinking about doing the same, since my QB is Drew "I f***ing suck as bad as Grossman" Brees. And I have Larry Johnson. Can you say the two biggest fantasy busts this year? I'm thinking anyone who drafted in the top 3 is having a real b**** of a time this year... with LT, Jackson, and LJ all sucking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 26, 2007 Author Share Posted September 26, 2007 Press Conference as we speak on 670 AM Lovie just announced that #1 Griese #2 Rex #3 Orton I don't think we've seen the last of Rex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 26, 2007 -> 11:20 AM) I'm thinking anyone who drafted in the top 3 is having a real b**** of a time this year... with LT, Jackson, and LJ all sucking. ...that is, unless you picked up Addai instead of LJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 26, 2007 Author Share Posted September 26, 2007 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Sep 26, 2007 -> 11:43 AM) ...that is, unless you picked up Addai instead of LJ which is what i would have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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