thedoctor Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 04:26 PM) rex sucks, deal with it. griese is a better QB, not a God, but a better QB, and he gives us the best chance to win. i'm not sure we have any evidence that suggests griese is a better qb right here and right now. his career passing numbers mean little or nothing as they relate to the situation he's facing at this point. now i agree that rex sucks, but what have we seen that proves griese is a better qb who gives the team a better chance to win? in his limited time last year he sucked. in his limited time this year he's sucked. it's been three years since he's even had a decent season so i'm not sure how you can definitively say he's the guy who gives us the best chance to win. frankly, i think all of our quarterbacks suck. which sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 QUOTE(thedoctor @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 12:57 PM) i'm not sure we have any evidence that suggests griese is a better qb right here and right now. his career passing numbers mean little or nothing as they relate to the situation he's facing at this point. now i agree that rex sucks, but what have we seen that proves griese is a better qb who gives the team a better chance to win? in his limited time last year he sucked. in his limited time this year he's sucked. it's been three years since he's even had a decent season so i'm not sure how you can definitively say he's the guy who gives us the best chance to win. frankly, i think all of our quarterbacks suck. which sucks. Um it was one game and Griese was more productive, albeit not that good, in that one game after a 2 season layoff than Grossman has been the last 10 weeks of football action going back to last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 07:02 PM) Um it was one game and Griese was more productive, albeit not that good, in that one game after a 2 season layoff than Grossman has been the last 10 weeks of football action going back to last year. fair enough. i did say above that i feel griese deserves more time to establish himself. i agree that a few spot playing points over two years isn't a great sample size. that said, it's my opinion that we're not going to get much more out of him than what we've already seen. how many quarterbacks through history have basically been either inactive or non-productive for three years and turned out to be worth a damn? and i'm not looking at it as a rex vs. griese argument. i think both of them are s***ty. i just think this expectation that we're going to get some turnaround because we switched quarterbacks is off-base. the bears offensive problems go way past the quarterback position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 As I stated all season long, Griese is a better QB, and will make this team better as the season goes on... Just wait until he hits his stride (we started seeing this in the second half). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 09:52 AM) As I stated all season long, Griese is a better QB, and will make this team better as the season goes on... Just wait until he hits his stride (we started seeing this in the second half). Are you going to do this every game, good or bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 09:53 AM) Are you going to do this every game, good or bad? I defended Griese after last week's game in Detroit if you want to go back a few posts... so yeah, looks like i am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 09:54 AM) I defended Griese after last week's game in Detroit if you want to go back a few posts... so yeah, looks like i am. I think your signatures are out of compliance with the sites guidelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 10:42 AM) I think your signatures are out of compliance with the sites guidelines. Your signature's not kid-friendly. Children might see it and smoke pot. -- Griese looked alright last night. Better than Grossman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 10:44 AM) Your signature's not kid-friendly. Children might see it and smoke pot. -- Griese looked alright last night. Better than Grossman. I hope so, the snack food industry has been lagging in sales this fiscal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I didnt really think Griese looked that much better than Grossman, seems the OL is doing a better job of not letting free players wreck our QB, and now that Olsen is playing its giving the QB another big target. When Griese floats a ball, I always just have to wonder, could Rex have done it slightly better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 03:43 PM) I didnt really think Griese looked that much better than Grossman, seems the OL is doing a better job of not letting free players wreck our QB, and now that Olsen is playing its giving the QB another big target. When Griese floats a ball, I always just have to wonder, could Rex have done it slightly better. You know why Griese looked better, because he found Clark on that clinching touchdown. I don't think he was the primary receiver or first choice, but he found him over the top and look what happened. Maybe Grossman could get to that point at some point, but he's not there, for whatever reason. Griese can and the Bears won. But you are right about the OL, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 03:43 PM) I didnt really think Griese looked that much better than Grossman, seems the OL is doing a better job of not letting free players wreck our QB, and now that Olsen is playing its giving the QB another big target. When Griese floats a ball, I always just have to wonder, could Rex have done it slightly better. right... of course Rex could have done better... what a joke. he couldnt, he didnt, and this team is better with griese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 03:43 PM) I didnt really think Griese looked that much better than Grossman, seems the OL is doing a better job of not letting free players wreck our QB, and now that Olsen is playing its giving the QB another big target. When Griese floats a ball, I always just have to wonder, could Rex have done it slightly better. Rex would have underthrown it and had it picked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 08:23 PM) Rex would have underthrown it and had it picked. Actually, Rex would never have seen him. He still has Mike Tomczak disease - he projects his passes, and is incapable of checking down to 2nd and 3rd receivers, unless its the outlet back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 09:42 PM) Actually, Rex would never have seen him. He still has Mike Tomczak disease - he projects his passes, and is incapable of checking down to 2nd and 3rd receivers, unless its the outlet back. Don't let the Rex backers hear you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I think Bradley and Olsen can both be huge assets to Griese... Olsen because he is a big target and Bradley because I think he excels at going over the middle which is what Griese is good at, the slant patterns... LESS MUHSIN he cant get open! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 i was moderately impressed by griese. i thought he moved around in the pocket a little better than grossman did, and he didn't turn it over. i don't expect spectacular things out of him. all that said, i mentioned before that the bears offensive problems go far past the quarterback. as the season progresses it's more and more apparent that our receivers are just not very good. too bad there's really no way to address that problem now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 09:23 PM) Rex would have underthrown it and had it picked. Yes, but many of the deep balls that Griese was off on, Rex would have been more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 9, 2007 -> 03:02 PM) Yes, but many of the deep balls that Griese was off on, Rex would have been more accurate. Sure, because Rex had so many completed deep balls in the first 3 games. Oh wait, he only had two completions over 25 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Oct 9, 2007 -> 03:11 PM) Sure, because Rex had so many completed deep balls in the first 3 games. Oh wait, he only had two completions over 25 yards. Oh. I thought we were all making claims and assumptions not based on facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 9, 2007 -> 03:16 PM) Oh. I thought we were all making claims and assumptions not based on facts. There's a lot more evidence supporting Rex throwing picks than there is Rex being an accurate passer that can consistently complete deep balls, especially since people started covering Berrian on deep balls about week 5 of last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 9, 2007 -> 03:16 PM) Oh. I thought we were all making claims and assumptions not based on facts. It's a quantifiable fact that Rex has been one of the worst QB's in the NFL since week 5 of last year. Just look at his TD:INT ratio from that point on. The man sucks at throwing a football. Edited October 10, 2007 by StrangeSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Oct 10, 2007 -> 07:14 AM) It's a quantifiable fact that Rex has been one of the worst QB's in the NFL since week 5 of last year. Just look at his TD:INT ratio from that point on. The man sucks at throwing a football. Ah, well that proves he would have underthrown that pass. I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 10, 2007 -> 09:35 AM) Ah, well that proves he would have underthrown that pass. I stand corrected. Well s***, he could have play-action faked, ran back to the one yard line and done cart-wheels to the endzone with his pants off... but he didn't and his track record suggests he wouldn't have... just like his track record suggests he wouldn't have even seen Desmond Clark and probably would have thrown to the first option on that play, which wasn't Clark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Oct 10, 2007 -> 10:15 AM) Well s***, he could have play-action faked, ran back to the one yard line and done cart-wheels to the endzone with his pants off... but he didn't and his track record suggests he wouldn't have... just like his track record suggests he wouldn't have even seen Desmond Clark and probably would have thrown to the first option on that play, which wasn't Clark. I tried to read your post steve but all i saw was 12 inches of signature across my screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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