fathom Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 (edited) Here are my grades for members of the Sox organization: Mark Buehrle: B Javier Vazquez: A Jose Contreras: F Jon Garland: C Jon Danks: D Gavin Floyd: C Bobby Jenks: A Mike MacDougal: F David Aardsma: D Boone Logan: C Ehren Wasserman: A Mike Myers: F Matt Thornton: D AJP: C Paul Konerko: C Jim Thome: B Iguchi: D Richar: C Juan Uribe: D Josh Fields: B Scott Pods: F Erstad: D Jermaine Dye: C Jerry Owens: C Toby Hall: F Andy Gonzalez: AA Ozzie Guillen: D Kenny Williams: D The Fans: A Please share your opinions and grades Edited September 27, 2007 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 oooooohhh, fun... *Added Gonzalez, Bukvich and Cintron to the list... Mark Buehrle: B Javier Vazquez: A- Jose Contreras: D Jon Garland: C+ Jon Danks: C Gavin Floyd: C- Bobby Jenks: A- Mike MacDougal: F David Aardsma: D Boone Logan: C+ Ehren Wasserman: A- Mike Myers: F Matt Thornton: D Ryan Bukvich: D AJP: C- Paul Konerko: C Jim Thome: B Iguchi: D Richar: C+ Juan Uribe: D Josh Fields: B+ Scott Pods: D Erstad: C- Jermaine Dye: C Jerry Owens: B+ Toby Hall: D- Andy Gonzalez: F Alex Cintron: D Ozzie Guillen: C Kenny Williams: C- The Fans: A- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Not giving Thome an A....you're joking, right? Dude missed thirty games and still hit 33 homers and almost 100 rbis with an average just 7 points below his career average at almost age 40 what the hell would have been an A for you people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 27, 2007 Author Share Posted September 27, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Sep 27, 2007 -> 03:59 PM) Not giving Thome an A....you're joking, right? Dude missed thirty games and still hit 33 homers and almost 100 rbis with an average just 7 points below his career average at almost age 40 what the hell would have been an A for you people? When this team was really struggling, Thome wasn't playing well. Also, his sub .200 batting average against LHP really hurts us, as we needed more production from the DH spot against the great lefties in the AL. As you can tell by how I gave guys like Konerko and Owens the same grade, it didn't just have to do with production, but playing up to their capabilities as well. Edited September 27, 2007 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I give the whole team an F- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 How Does Buehrle not get an A? His amount of wins show no sign of what kind of season he's had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 27, 2007 -> 11:01 AM) When this team was really struggling, Thome wasn't playing well. Also, his sub .200 batting average against LHP really hurts us, as we needed more production from the DH spot against the great lefties in the AL. As you can tell by how I gave guys like Konerko and Owens the same grade, it didn't just have to do with production, but playing up to their capabilities as well. 2004-2006 Thome is a .226 hitter against lefties. So he would've gotten an A if he would've just hit .226? We knew he sucked against lefties going into this season. In fact, many of us were crying for a semi-platoon against lefties. I don't see how it's fair to grade Thome hard because he's not "playing up to his capabilities" if we acknowledged preseason that he sucks against lefties. We didn't get Jim Thome because of his ability to hit LHP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Sep 27, 2007 -> 11:16 AM) 2004-2006 Thome is a .226 hitter against lefties. So he would've gotten an A if he would've just hit .226? We knew he sucked against lefties going into this season. In fact, many of us were crying for a semi-platoon against lefties. I don't see how it's fair to grade Thome hard because he's not "playing up to his capabilities" if we acknowledged preseason that he sucks against lefties. We didn't get Jim Thome because of his ability to hit LHP! Fine. You give him an A and some other people give him a B. Step away from the ledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Sep 27, 2007 -> 11:16 AM) 2004-2006 Thome is a .226 hitter against lefties. So he would've gotten an A if he would've just hit .226? We knew he sucked against lefties going into this season. In fact, many of us were crying for a semi-platoon against lefties. I don't see how it's fair to grade Thome hard because he's not "playing up to his capabilities" if we acknowledged preseason that he sucks against lefties. We didn't get Jim Thome because of his ability to hit LHP! Perhaps you could provide your grades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I just don't think it's fair to bash people for not being capable of doing things we knew they were not capable of doing, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Sep 27, 2007 -> 11:23 AM) I just don't think it's fair to bash people for not being capable of doing things we knew they were not capable of doing, that's all. I wouldn't call grading someone's season a B as bashing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 27, 2007 -> 09:19 AM) Here are my grades for members of the Sox organization: Mark Buehrle: B Javier Vazquez: A Jose Contreras: F Jon Garland: C Jon Danks: D Gavin Floyd: C Bobby Jenks: A Mike MacDougal: F David Aardsma: D Boone Logan: C Ehren Wasserman: A Mike Myers: F Matt Thornton: D AJP: C Paul Konerko: C Jim Thome: B Iguchi: D Richar: C Juan Uribe: D Josh Fields: B Scott Pods: F Erstad: D Jermaine Dye: C Jerry Owens: C Toby Hall: F Andy Gonzalez: AA Ozzie Guillen: D Kenny Williams: D The Fans: A Please share your opinions and grades Since you don't give + or - I will use the same system and here's where I disagree. Vazquez B Floyd D Iguchi (incomplete) Richar D Pods D Andy G Ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Mark Buehrle: A- Javier Vazquez: A Jose Contreras: D Jon Garland: C Jon Danks: D Gavin Floyd: C Bobby Jenks: A Mike MacDougal: F David Aardsma: D Boone Logan: C Ehren Wasserman: A Mike Myers: D Matt Thornton: D AJP: C Paul Konerko: C Jim Thome: A- Iguchi: D Richar: C+ Juan Uribe: D+ Josh Fields: B- Scott Pods: D Erstad: C Jermaine Dye: C Jerry Owens: B- Toby Hall: F Andy Gonzalez: F Ozzie Guillen: D Kenny Williams: D The Fans: A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Sep 27, 2007 -> 11:23 AM) I just don't think it's fair to bash people for not being capable of doing things we knew they were not capable of doing, that's all. B = above average Also, I think grades are probably conditioned to that anyway. Thome was hurt on and off, had some big slumps, and struggled in close & late scenarios early in the season. Oh and, I think its interesting you choose to bash people's grades but aren't willing to provide your own input. Its all just for fun - give it a shot, and take it easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Another Thome argument. Zzzzzz... ANYWAY: Mark Buehrle: B+ Javier Vazquez: A Jose Contreras: F Jon Garland: C Jon Danks: D Gavin Floyd: C Bobby Jenks: A Mike MacDougal: F David Aardsma: D Boone Logan: C+ Ehren Wasserman: B Mike Myers: F Matt Thornton: C- AJP: C Paul Konerko: C Jim Thome: B Iguchi: D Richar: C Juan Uribe: D Josh Fields: B Scott Pods: F Erstad: C Jermaine Dye: C Jerry Owens: C Toby Hall: F Andy Gonzalez: AA (LOL... exactly!) Ozzie Guillen: D Kenny Williams: D The Fans: A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I have to admit, the Gonzalez thing got a smirk out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 27, 2007 Author Share Posted September 27, 2007 FWIW, I was close to giving Thome an A....but I was also close to giving AJP a D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 27, 2007 -> 11:37 AM) FWIW, I was close to giving Thome an A....but I was also close to giving AJP a D. Agreed on both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Mark Buehrle: B+ Javier Vazquez: A- Jose Contreras: D+ Jon Garland: C Jon Danks: C+ Gavin Floyd: C Bobby Jenks: A+ Mike MacDougal: D- David Aardsma: F Boone Logan: B- Ehren Wasserman: A- Mike Myers: F Matt Thornton: D Ryan Bukvich: C AJP: C- Paul Konerko: C Jim Thome: B+ Iguchi: C Richar: C+ Juan Uribe: C Josh Fields: B Scott Pods: D Erstad: C- Jermaine Dye: C Jerry Owens: B Toby Hall: D- Andy Gonzalez: D Alex Cintron: INC (not gonna fault him for his off the field personal issues he dealt with all year) Ozzie Guillen: C Kenny Williams: D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Mark Buehrle: B+ Javier Vazquez: A Jose Contreras: D Jon Garland: C+ Jon Danks: D Gavin Floyd: C+ Bobby Jenks: A Mike MacDougal: F David Aardsma: F Boone Logan: D Ehren Wasserman: A Mike Myers: F Matt Thornton: F AJP: C Paul Konerko: B Jim Thome: A Iguchi: C- Richar: C Juan Uribe: D Josh Fields: A Scott Pods: F Erstad: F Jermaine Dye: B Jerry Owens: C Toby Hall: D Andy Gonzalez: ugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Sep 27, 2007 -> 12:12 PM) Mark Buehrle: B+ Javier Vazquez: A Jose Contreras: D Jon Garland: C+ Jon Danks: D Gavin Floyd: C+ Bobby Jenks: A Mike MacDougal: F David Aardsma: F Boone Logan: D Ehren Wasserman: A Mike Myers: F Matt Thornton: F AJP: C Paul Konerko: B Jim Thome: A Iguchi: C- Richar: C Juan Uribe: D Josh Fields: A Scott Pods: F Erstad: F Jermaine Dye: B Jerry Owens: C Toby Hall: D Andy Gonzalez: ugh Jim Thome an A?!?! How could you give him an A??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Sep 27, 2007 -> 12:16 PM) Jim Thome an A?!?! How could you give him an A??? The same way he could give Jermaine Dye a B by following up a 44/120/1.007 season with a 28/77/.805 one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 27, 2007 -> 12:46 PM) The same way he could give Jermaine Dye a B by following up a 44/120/1.007 season with a 28/77/.805 one... I expected a significant dropoff after an off the charts career year. Dye's career OPS is .823. Edited September 27, 2007 by Hideaway Lights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I really don't know why or how anyone would give Andy Gonzalez anything less than a C. As far as I'm concerned, he stayed healthy and played a lot of positions, so he gets an A. That in itself says a lot about a guy. I mean, the guy hit like s***, but who honestly didn't expect that? He's the 32nd man on a 25 man roster, it just so happens that the White Sox are so bad that he was the 27th or 28th man. Had the team been in contention, it's an entirely different story, but seriously, kudos to Andy for health and flexibility, and thanks for busting your balls kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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