greg775 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Gone are... Uribe Pods Erstad (please, please let him go; I'm fearing he'll be back). Jose MacDougal Sisco Aardsma Thornton Crede (traded in spring training when he proves he can play) Cintron Hall Here's my ideal team 1b- Paulie. 2b-Richar. ss-Renteria or Felipe (please no Eckstein). 3b-Josh (please learn how to field). LF - Owens CF - Hunter/Rowand whoever we acquire. RF - Dye C - AJP and new backup. DH - Jim or Fields if we trade Jim. SP - Mark, Vazzy, Garland, Danks, Floyd, Charlie. RP - Boone, Wassy, many many new faces. Closer- Bobby. Manager - Ozzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 06:07 AM) my reasoning behind this is a) he still has talent and b.) the Braves aren't gonna be bringing back Andrew Jones. says who? The Braves are offering him arbitration, and I imagine that's a given. If so, I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see him brought back by Atlanta next year, because it'll be hard even for Scott Boras to get Jones as big a deal as Hunter on name alone, and I'd bet that's who they are shooting for contract wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 LF - Owens/Erstad - Ozzie will select the non hitting guy over the power guy, because the non hitting guy is fast. 2B - Richar DH Thome 1B Konerko RF Dye CF Rowand C AJ 3B Crede SS Uribe Buerhle Vazquez Contreras Danks Floyd Bench Hall, Ozuna, Gonzales, Erstad Jenks Thornton Myers Logan Vet acquired in Garland trade Fields will wind up in AAA for no good reason. Anderson will be traded, McDougal and Aardsma will be traded. Masset will be traded. Pods no tendered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 07:48 PM) LF - Owens/Erstad - Ozzie will select the non hitting guy over the power guy, because the non hitting guy is fast. 2B - Richar DH Thome 1B Konerko RF Dye CF Rowand C AJ 3B Crede SS Uribe Buerhle Vazquez Contreras Danks Floyd Bench Hall, Ozuna, Gonzales, Erstad Jenks Thornton Myers Logan Vet acquired in Garland trade Fields will wind up in AAA for no good reason. Anderson will be traded, McDougal and Aardsma will be traded. Masset will be traded. Pods no tendered. 72-90, here we come again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 02:51 PM) 72-90, here we come again! As Williams said, however, all moves are connected. With the Sox' sights clearly set on signing free-agent center fielders Torii Hunter or Aaron Rowand, landing one would mean Josh Fields and Owens have to compete in left field. If the Sox opt for Fields, Richar would be the leadoff hitter and second baseman. One hits 23 homers, the other has one good month. I would rather have Fields in left and let Richar lead off. At least Richar knows how to get on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 02:52 PM) One hits 23 homers, the other has one good month. I would rather have Fields in left and let Richar lead off. At least Richar knows how to get on base. While I agree with you about Fields being in LF... Owens' OBP since his July callup was .342, while Richar's during his callup (also in July) was .289, some 53 points lower. So to say "Richar knows how to get on base" isn't really looking accurate. I like Richar, but he isn't getting on base too often yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 While I agree with you about Fields being in LF... Owens' OBP since his July callup was .342, while Richar's during his callup (also in July) was .289, some 53 points lower. So to say "Richar knows how to get on base" isn't really looking accurate. I like Richar, but he isn't getting on base too often yet. Yes, I just went and checked the stats myself after seeing that comment. I believe Richar will improve, he did some good things. He might know how to get on base, problem is he didn't do it enough. I don't see Owens or Richar as leadoff hitter in '08, call it a hunch but I think they'll go in another direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 03:08 PM) Yes, I just went and checked the stats myself after seeing that comment. I believe Richar will improve, he did some good things. He might know how to get on base, problem is he didn't do it enough. I don't see Owens or Richar as leadoff hitter in '08, call it a hunch but I think they'll go in another direction. So, 2 parter 1) do you see Owens and/or Richar starting next year? 2) do you see the leadoff hitter being a shortstop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 My impression of Jerry is one of a stop gap or a #9 hitter. If we get Furcal I would like to see Richar Hitting #2 due to his patience (IMO) and his contact rate. 1. Furcal SS 2. Richar 2B 3. Thome 4. Kong 5 Dye 6 Fields LF 7 Crede 3B 8. AJp 9. Owens Furcal hits LHP quite well which is why I like him between Richar and Owens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 07:45 PM) says who? The Braves are offering him arbitration, and I imagine that's a given. If so, I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see him brought back by Atlanta next year, because it'll be hard even for Scott Boras to get Jones as big a deal as Hunter on name alone, and I'd bet that's who they are shooting for contract wise. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 So, 2 parter 1) do you see Owens and/or Richar starting next year? 2) do you see the leadoff hitter being a shortstop? No to #1 and I would have to say no to #2 as well. The Sox want to upgrade at SS but it doesn't sound like they feel they can get something done. I believe their fall back plan is some kind of platoon for the leadoff spot. Maybe Owens has a piece of it, Ozuna, some unknown player. Strange things are known to happen though. I see more of a shakeup than Williams is letting on, for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 04:03 PM) Nope. Wow. Boras asking $20 mill per over 7? That's crazy. Still, that didn't say anything about arbitration, and Boras clients have done this before, with Millwood coming to mind initially. He was coming off a solid year with Philly, wanted to test the market and get a long-term deal, didn't find anything, and came back at $11 mill. He stunk, no arb from Philly, won the ERA crown with Cleveland, and then struck it rich. And if Atlanta doesn't offer him arbitration, I'd be surprised (though it would be understandable as to why they wouldn't). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 04:11 PM) Wow. Boras asking $20 mill per over 7? That's crazy. Still, that didn't say anything about arbitration, and Boras clients have done this before, with Millwood coming to mind initially. He was coming off a solid year with Philly, wanted to test the market and get a long-term deal, didn't find anything, and came back at $11 mill. He stunk, no arb from Philly, won the ERA crown with Cleveland, and then struck it rich. And if Atlanta doesn't offer him arbitration, I'd be surprised (though it would be understandable as to why they wouldn't). I can't see them not offering arbitration either. He most likely won't accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 a 140 mil for a guy who hit .222 last year? Give me a break. I know this was his career worst year but he's a lifetime .263 hitter only. It is crazy to realize that he's only 30 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Scott Boras is a funny guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I don't think the Braves will offer arbitration, either. They had a bad experience with that when they were forced to give Millwood away to the Phillies because they'd offerred Maddux arbitration thinking him gone, Maddux found nothing, accepted, won and handcuffed them. They don't want to risk the same thing with another Boras client although perhaps they do offer arbitration. Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Oct 3, 2007 -> 03:16 PM) I don't think the Braves will offer arbitration, either. They had a bad experience with that when they were forced to give Millwood away to the Phillies because they'd offerred Maddux arbitration thinking him gone, Maddux found nothing, accepted, won and handcuffed them. They don't want to risk the same thing with another Boras client although perhaps they do offer arbitration. Who knows. The only way they could decide not offering him arb was a good idea was if they didn't want him back at $13.5 million next year, which would just be pretty stupid of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 3, 2007 -> 05:20 PM) The only way they could decide not offering him arb was a good idea was if they didn't want him back at $13.5 million next year, which would just be pretty stupid of them. Yeah, all I'm saying is it's possible, especially if they wind up making a splash in a trade and can't afford even the chance that nobody wants Boras' price and Andruw accepts for another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 (edited) Boras is a magician at getting guys contracts you wouldn't think possible. JD Drew ? Tom Hicks, a known Boras sucker is looking for a CF. If ARod opts out, Mr. Hicks doesn't have to pay the Yankees any more of ARods salary, and from what I understand its close to or over $10 mill a year. Boras saves him $10 mill. a year there and in exchange he gives another one of his clients a very nice contract. Its just a thought. Edited October 3, 2007 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 02:45 PM) says who? The Braves are offering him arbitration, and I imagine that's a given. If so, I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see him brought back by Atlanta next year, because it'll be hard even for Scott Boras to get Jones as big a deal as Hunter on name alone, and I'd bet that's who they are shooting for contract wise. Looks like I win They aren't gonna bring back Jones because they don't want to spend the money on him and are probably pretty much set on trying to sign Teixeria to an extension. Edited October 4, 2007 by BearSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(BearSox @ Oct 3, 2007 -> 09:32 PM) Looks like I win They aren't gonna bring back Jones because they don't want to spend the money on him and are probably pretty much set on trying to sign Teixeria to an extension. You haven't won yet, though it's possible if they don't. I'd still be surprised if they don't offer him arbitration. I'd also be surprised if Teixeira signed an extension...he kinda has the same super agent who gets his guys to FA, gets them a huge contract, and lets them do whatever they want to. Edited October 4, 2007 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 4, 2007 -> 01:52 AM) You haven't won yet, though it's possible if they don't. I'd still be surprised if they don't offer him arbitration. I'd also be surprised if Teixeira signed an extension...he kinda has the same super agent who gets his guys to FA, gets them a huge contract, and lets them do whatever they want to. Well, the Braves gave up a s***load of talent up for Teixeria, and I think they really want to sign him to an extension. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Braves give into Boras and give Teixeria a huge, ridiculous contract. They did give into Daniels and gave him 5 pretty good prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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