joeynach Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Since these two appear to be the only real SS options for 2008 lets take a vote on who you want in 2008. Here are some stats. 2007: Eckstein - .309 Avg/.356 Obp/.382 Slg/434 AB/3 Hr/31 Rbi/24 Bb/22 K/10 SB Uribe - .234 Avg/.284 Obp/.394 Slg/513 AB/20 Hr/68 Rbi/34 Bb/112 K/1 SB In 2007 Eckstein made $4.5 Mil, in 2008 he will be a free agent. In 2008 Uribe made $4.15 Mil, in 2008 Uribe has a $5 Mil team option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I'll take the bullet to the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Eckstein...by a long shot. I love Uribe and what he has done for the White Sox, but Eckstein is the kind of guy that can put a team on his back. Not with offense or defense but with intangibles. He's the kinda guy that will get Vina'd or Burke'd and not take it lightly. He'll get the big hit, he'll steal the big base and he puts the ball in play. Uribe is done. The only way I re-sign Uribe is to decline his option, sign him for less but give him lots of incentive clauses (weight, GG, hitting, etc.). But that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 where is the neither button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Where is the Furcal option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I'll take Uribe for defensive purposes. It would help immensly if he actually gets in shape prior to next season. Consider it will be his free agency year, I'm thinking he'll do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 (edited) Juan can come back if: 1.) We hire a dietitian, give him a workout program that is monitored by a Whitesox employee, and buy him a treadmill that is reviewed by Whitesox personnel via webcam. Add periodic weigh ins. 2.) We hire Walt Hrniak (as a consultant) to re institute the leg kick timing mechanism, and fire Greg Walker hiring a new hitting coach outside of the White Sox organization. 3.) Give him a bonus carrot(money) based on OBP + BA. 4.) promise to bench his ass the minute he becomes the Tazmanian spin devil, swinging for the fences on every pitch and turning himself into the ground. Edited October 3, 2007 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 You could have put any name after the "or" and I woould have gone with that option. Question for those of you who think Uribe is good enough to keep his job mostly for defensive purposes. What would his offensive stats (OBP+BA) need to be in order for you think it's time for him to go. Throw some numbers at me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 For one thing, you would only be committed to Uribe for 1 year and $5 million. Eckstein would be muliple years and more money. Uribe was good enough in 2005. He's hasn't been that great since, but its not like his performance has fallen off the table. Considering he definitely will be playing for a contract, I like the chances of him outperforming a lot of SS next year, even SS named Eckstein. I hope his offseason can remain incident free, and would take my chances with him unless KW can come up with an obvious upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I'll take Minnie Minoso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Give me Uribe. With this pitching staff, I will always choose defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 famine or pestilence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I wonder if the offseason police issues kept Uribe from reporting in the best shape mentally and physically. May be able to turn it around since he is playing for a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Eckstein, Eckstein, Eckstein, Eckstein, Eckstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 QUOTE(BamaDoc @ Oct 3, 2007 -> 02:30 PM) I wonder if the offseason police issues kept Uribe from reporting in the best shape mentally and physically. May be able to turn it around since he is playing for a contract. Well that and he had a problem keeping forks filled with food from coming in contact with his open mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 eckstein. boy it would be nice to have a .300 hitter in the lineup again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That funky motion Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2007 -> 02:23 PM) Give me Uribe. With this pitching staff, I will always choose defense. :headbang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 (edited) I'll take Uribe because of his defense. Eckstein might be a great clubhouse guy, but I'd take Uribe's defense over him. Not only that, but Uribe might get his head straight since he'll be playing for a contract. They really do need to brink Hriniak back for Uribe though. Another thing, I think the clubhouse thing can be overrated a bit. You can have a team full of Eckstein's and Erstad's, but they will never win anything. KW needs to bring in people that can play not just to cheerlead. Edited October 3, 2007 by Whitewashed in '05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 QUOTE(Whitewashed in '05 @ Oct 3, 2007 -> 03:06 PM) I'll take Uribe because of his defense. Eckstein might be a great clubhouse guy, but I'd take Uribe's defense over him. Not only that, but Uribe might get his head straight since he'll be playing for a contract. They really do need to brink Hriniak back for Uribe though. Another thing, I think the clubhouse thing can be overrated a bit. You can have a team full of Eckstein's and Erstad's, but they will never win anything. KW needs to bring in people that can play not just to cheerlead. Actually, Uribe is a very popular guy in the clubhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 3, 2007 -> 03:11 PM) Actually, Uribe is a very popular guy in the clubhouse. He is, but I was talking more about choosing players just on clubhouse chemistry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I shall abstain from voting in such an abominable poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I think there will be more options. We may have to trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I'm not going to vote because I don't prefer either option. Uribe's average has gotten worse every year he's been here. He has better defense than Eckstein but Eckstein rarely ever strikes out. Unlike Uribe where you can kind of figure he's either going to strike out, pop out, or ground out, Eckstein probably will be able to move runners better. Plus Uribe being 1 for 10 in stolen bases is absolutely pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 F U R C A L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I'd let Eckstein play 2nd, add Furcal and give Richar a steady dose of at bats in a platoon/developmental type role. It gives you two vets that are solid and Eckstein at 2nd would be very strong defensively, imo. Plus I think you could get Eckstein for a short term deal which means he would walk after a year and you'd hope you would sign Furcal to an extension (with Richar finally sliding in as the starter). Note: This is if the White Sox do not believe Richar is quite ready. Either way I'd prefer Eckstein over Uribe, but I would really have zero problem with Eckstein being one of the top 2 hitters and playing 2nd with Furcal being the other. It gives you a good OBP, good speed, and that defensive duo would be very good. Plus Furcal has pretty solid pop for a top of the order hitter. Its older than I would like, but it would be pretty damn solid. If financial issues were a worry or if Kenny wanted to get younger, he could always move Konerko for a couple young prospects, one of which could play center (or he could move Konerko and use a chunk of that money earmarked for him on Andruw Jones who would replace Paulie in the lineup and play a premium defensive position). You than use Konerko to acquire (for the most part) young pitching prospects or position prospects that you could use to replace Garland/Contreras (as if you moved those two, plus Paulie and added Jones/Furcal/Eckstein and numerous prospects I think you'd be in pretty good shape). Furcal Eckstein Dye Thome Jones AJP Crede Fields * Insert First Baseman Here (you could even put Fields here and insert in a young prospect which was acquired...or if the move was with the Angels Casey Kochman would go where AJP with Crede being by Kochman and than AJP and than Fields). That lineup would have massive power, high strikeouts (Thome/Fields/Jones) but would also be pretty solid defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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