NorthSideSox72 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Oct 16, 2007 -> 11:36 AM) Yeah, but it's definitely sub-par. None of these guys except DLS has a real shot at being an impact ML pitcher except for Gio who has an outside shot but I would never bet on it since he's so tiny. I disagree with your assessment. I think there are quite a few in there with reasonable shots to be "impact ML pitchers". But then, what do you mean by "impact"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 16, 2007 -> 12:43 PM) I disagree with your assessment. I think there are quite a few in there with reasonable shots to be "impact ML pitchers". But then, what do you mean by "impact"? Championship caliber pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Oct 16, 2007 -> 11:45 AM) Championship caliber pitchers. Well, Neal Cotts falls in that category... so I guess there are a LOT of pitchers in the Sox system with that potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 16, 2007 -> 12:47 PM) Well, Neal Cotts falls in that category... so I guess there are a LOT of pitchers in the Sox system with that potential. Neal Cotts was and is a fluke. If you're counting on your mediocre starting pitching depth to have a fluke season, together, your organization has some serious problems going into the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Oct 16, 2007 -> 11:52 AM) Neal Cotts was and is a fluke. If you're counting on your mediocre starting pitching depth to have a fluke season, together, your organization has some serious problems going into the future. I was just using your definition - Championship caliber pitcher. Would you prefer another one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 16, 2007 -> 12:54 PM) I was just using your definition - Championship caliber pitcher. Would you prefer another one? I'm done with this conversation. "Neal Cotts champion caliber pitcher." Like Jeff Suppan. Let's sign a bunch of Jeff Suppans and draft a bunch of Neal Cotts' and hope to God that they're able to pull off a mighty, magical fluke season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Oct 16, 2007 -> 11:56 AM) I'm done with this conversation. Always my favorite part. Its like... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Oct 16, 2007 -> 12:36 PM) Yeah, but it's definitely sub-par. None of these guys except DLS has a real shot at being an impact ML pitcher except for Gio who has an outside shot but I would never bet on it since he's so tiny. Oswalt, Pedro, Tim Hudson, Maddux all below 6 feet. There have been short pitchers that have been good in the majors you realize. The only thing that can worry you with a shorter pitcher is injury and that is more of genetic makeup and repeatable mechanics than height. Gio has good stuff and a nice curveball. To dismiss him based on his height alone is a myopic argument. "Some clubs dismiss guys on height, but it's silly. With the shortage of pitching out there, why limit yourself?" American League Scout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chombi Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) Oswalt, Pedro, Tim Hudson, Maddux all below 6 feet. There have been short pitchers that have been good in the majors you realize. The only thing that can worry you with a shorter pitcher is injury and that is more of genetic makeup and repeatable mechanics than height. Gio has good stuff and a nice curveball. To dismiss him based on his height alone is a myopic argument. "Some clubs dismiss guys on height, but it's silly. With the shortage of pitching out there, why limit yourself?" American League Scout You missed this years tiny man of the year...Tim Lincecum. It seems we just doubt ourselves (the Sox) because we have failed to produce a guy with minor league numbers like his in a while. The ones we have usually ended up being a bust or whatever. We act as though he came out of nowhere and look for something to point out as to why he'll fail because we don't want to get our hopes up. If he was in another organization (again), and rumors were flying of a deal wit hthat organization, we would be pointing to him as a guy we want (as we did). Had we not lucked out in the first place that he fell to us in the supplemental part of the draft, after being proclaimed a potential problem from getting kicked off his HS team, he would be someone else's potential gem and I don't they would have as much pessimism towards him as some of our fans seem to have. I really don't get how our opinion seems to go down on him as he improves. He had a bad year in Philly but corrected his mechanics and what not before the AFL. Lots of people have been high on him regardless of his height and I think he can be a decent ML pitcher. Gonzalez was graded lower because of his emotion on the mound and his prone to giving up homers. He proved that theory wrong last season in the Arizona Fall League, which is a huge hitters league, and dominated. He wasn't forced to try and locate his change-up every game like the phillies had him doing. He fixed his leg kick, kept his fastball down and his breaking ball is still one of the best in the minors. If he learns to located his change-up, he can be very good for us. Look at guys like Johan who didn't finally understand how or when to throw his changeup until he was 22. Gonzalez is 21 and it seems to be coming along. If he can command it down the road, he would have 3 plus pitches and I can't see his size mattering. Anyways...I really hope we don't resign Rowand. Just gives me a bad feeling. Edited October 16, 2007 by Chombi and the Fungi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I would think Rowand actually would have gotten all the money he wanted had the Phils won it all. He would have been named as one of those guys you "must have" on a winning team. They flamed, however, and I doubt Rowand will get superstar money. I love Rowand but he doesn't deserve superstar money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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