Red Sox Indians

[Brian]

Finish them!!!!

[SoxAce]

but hey baseball is a funny game.

 

Ain't that the truth in alot of ways.

 

Hell...

 

Sabathia/Carmona

 

0-1 12.96 era 10/8 BB:SO ratio

 

Westbrook/Byrd

 

2-0 3.09 era 3/6 BB:SO ratio

 

Crazy game I tell ya.

[Big Hurtin]

lol at manny being manny(a dumbass s***bird). He hits a solo shot and throws his hands up like he won the world series with a walkoff at fenway. Someone needs to get him back to reality, down 4 runs in game 4 of a series you are trailing 2-1.

 

I cannot for the life of me understand why no one knocks him down. He does that crap all the time. He's lucky he never played against someone like Don Drysdale.

[whitesoxfan101]

I cannot for the life of me understand why no one knocks him down. He does that crap all the time. He's lucky he never played against someone like Don Drysdale.

 

LOL give me a f***ing break. Yeah Manny is a douche, but if you throw at him he'll just homer the next 2 times he faces you and stare and watch it leave both times. It's the same thing as the Chad Johnson stuff, if you don't want to see it, don't let him do well.

[Brian]

[Big Hurtin]

LOL give me a f***ing break. Yeah Manny is a douche, but if you throw at him he'll just homer the next 2 times he faces you and stare and watch it leave both times. It's the same thing as the Chad Johnson stuff, if you don't want to see it, don't let him do well.

 

So you're saying that you never see batters show up pitchers, then subsequently get hit / brushed back? I'm not saying that it would stop him from being a "douche", but that I'm surprised it doesn't happen.

[CWSGuy406]

You know he's been phenomenal this year? He'd be the 2nd best arm in our pen.

 

Yeah -- Delcarmen throws a legit mid-90s with a very good hook. I'm still pissed that Boston wouldn't include him on the deal -- Dye for WMP and Delcarmen would've been a very good deal for our Sox.

 

Also, him and Fields in the lineup in the lineup at the same time would be quite the spectacle. I'd bet the two would combine for 60-70 homers and 400 Ks.

Edited October 17, 2007 by CWSGuy406

[max power]

So you're saying that you never see batters show up pitchers, then subsequently get hit / brushed back? I'm not saying that it would stop him from being a "douche", but that I'm surprised it doesn't happen.

I would have thrown at his chin.

 

LOL give me a f***ing break. Yeah Manny is a douche, but if you throw at him he'll just homer the next 2 times he faces you and stare and watch it leave both times. It's the same thing as the Chad Johnson stuff, if you don't want to see it, don't let him do well.

If you think he is going to hit three homers in game because you threw at him the second time and forth time you are giving him waaaay too much credit, even when he is on fire.

[G&T]

LOL give me a f***ing break. Yeah Manny is a douche, but if you throw at him he'll just homer the next 2 times he faces you and stare and watch it leave both times. It's the same thing as the Chad Johnson stuff, if you don't want to see it, don't let him do well.

 

 

That's probably not the reason. Fines and suspensions might be a more realistic reason. Pitchers can't knock guys down these days.

[thedoctor]

You know he's been phenomenal this year? He'd be the 2nd best arm in our pen.

 

right. as i said, that was my first time looking at him and from what i saw in that moment, he looked very familiar to what we saw out of our relievers this year. in terms of being the second best arm in our pen, that's your opinion which your of course entitled to.

[whitesoxfan101]

So you're saying that you never see batters show up pitchers, then subsequently get hit / brushed back? I'm not saying that it would stop him from being a "douche", but that I'm surprised it doesn't happen.

 

Well no, but everybody seems to think brushing back Manny will stop him from being a douche and/or hitting home runs, and it won't. I don't think he gets brushed back though (although if he does, I can't argue with it), as Cleveland has bigger fish to fry, like clinching a pennant.

 

As for Delcarmen.....he made the mistake of throwing an outside fastball to Peralta, and although it registered at 96, throwing an outside fastball to Peralta is like throwing a down and in heater to Thome, something bad is going to happen to you.

Edited October 17, 2007 by whitesoxfan101

[Harry Chappas]

right. as i said, that was my first time looking at him and from what i saw in that moment, he looked very familiar to what we saw out of our relievers this year. in terms of being the second best arm in our pen, that's your opinion which your of course entitled to.

 

Second best arm in Sox pen is nothing that great.

 

Manny Ramirez is an incredible hitter. The thing I recall is when Crede dropped the foul ball and then he hit a ball about 500 feet. I think one of the best right handed hitters in history. Thomas was as good but not for as long a period of time.

[NorthSideSox72]

Thomas was as good but not for as long a period of time.

Thomas was a far better hitter in his prime than Manny in his prime. Heck, even taking a career-long view, that is still true.

 

[Gregory Pratt]

I really don't care for Manny.

[RockRaines]

I agree with everything you said here. Still, I'm glad I got to see that right field porch in Tiger Stadium before they stopped playing there.

Hell yeah, that stadium was awesome. Alot like old Comiskey.

[whitesoxfan101]

Thomas was a far better hitter in his prime than Manny in his prime. Heck, even taking a career-long view, that is still true.

 

Umm....no.

 

career:

 

Frank: .303/.421/.561/.982

Manny: .313/.409/.593/1.002

 

In their prime (Their 7 best seasons):

 

Manny:

 

1999: .333/.442/.663/1.105

2000: .351/.457/.697/1.154

2001: .306/.405/.609/1.014

2002: .349/.450/.647/1.097

2003: .325/.427/.587/1.014

2004: .308/.397/.613/1.009

2006: .321/.439/.619/1.058

 

Frank:

 

1991: .318/.453/.553/1.006

1993: .317/.426/.607/1.033

1994: .353/.487/.729/1.217

1995: .308/.454/.606/1.061

1996: .349/.459/.626/1.085

1997: .347/.456/.611/1.067

2000: .328/.436/.625/1.061

 

Those 7 prime seasons are every 1.000+ OPS year for both guys, and in their seasons besides that, their numbers are also similar except Frank has a bit more experience obviously (although not that much more due to injuries). The only real noticeably difference there is obviously Frank's obnoxious strike shortened season, but Manny had two years with an OPS in the 1.100+ range, whereas Frank never got that high other than 1994.

 

They are undebateably the two best right handed hitters of our generation, but to say Frank was a far better hitter either in his prime on in general is just a lie. If Manny plays well past his prime like Frank has, the numbers in fact would probably end up being even closer than they already are, too. It's a very fun debate, but to say either is clearly better, either in their prime or for their overall career, is not accurate.

Edited October 17, 2007 by whitesoxfan101

[NorthSideSox72]

Umm....no.

 

career:

 

Frank: .303/.421/.561/.982

Manny: .313/.409/.593/1.002

 

In their prime (Their 7 best seasons):

Those 7 prime seasons are every 1.000+ OPS year for both guys, and in their seasons besides that, their numbers are also similar except Frank has a bit more experience obviously (although not that much more due to injuries). The only real noticeably difference there is obviously Frank's obnoxious strike shortened season, but Manny had two years with an OPS in the 1.100+ range, whereas Frank never got that high other than 1994.

 

They are undebateably the two best right handed hitters of our generation, but to say Frank was a far better hitter either in his prime on in general is just a lie. If Manny plays well past his prime like Frank has, the numbers in fact would probably end up being even closer than they already are, too.

Manny hasn't hit his later years, as you say. Besides, I still disagree with you. I think Thomas was a better hitter in his prime than Manny in his prime. Those .020 points of OPS are very small, but OPS is not the end all measurement. Thomas had a much better OBP, even though he had slightly less power than Manny, during their primes. Career wise they will probably finish almost identical in OPS, I'd guess. So as Manny continues to decline, and his numbers fall below Frank's, it will become even more clear. I think Thomas was the better hitter.

 

Disagree if you'd like, you do make some good arguments. But calling anyone's opinion a "lie" is kind of ridiculous. I mean, if I said Ross Gload is better than either of them, I suppose maybe the "lie" label works. Maybe.

 

[RockRaines]

They are both great hitters. But Manny may go down at the best right handed hitter in the modern era.

[whitesoxfan101]

You said Thomas was a far better hitter in his prime than Manny, that is what I called a lie because it is. And yes Frank has drawn a few more walks, but Manny has hit for a little more power. In the end, the numbers are and pretty much always will be a wash once they both retire, and I think that's fitting since they are about even in terms of hitters once you balance out all the factors.

[NorthSideSox72]

You said Thomas was a far better hitter in his prime than Manny, that is what I called a lie because it is. And yes Frank has drawn a few more walks, but Manny has hit for a little more power. In the end, the numbers are and pretty much always will be a wash once they both retire, and I think that's fitting since they are about even in terms of hitters once you balance out all the factors.

I'll remove the "far" from my statement if you promise to go look up the definition of the word "lie".

 

[whitesoxfan101]

I'll remove the "far" from my statement if you promise to go look up the definition of the word "lie".

 

Well if you just say Thomas was a better hitter, then it's not a lie since a lie is a statement someone knows is false, but is made with the intention that others will see it as truth. However, it is more than feasible to say and believe that Frank was just generally a better hitter than Manny in their primes. But since I know your smart enough to realize that Frank was not a "far better" hitter in his prime than Manny, the statement was technically a lie, albeit a relatively insignificant little white lie.

Edited October 17, 2007 by whitesoxfan101

[NorthSideSox72]

Well if you just say Thomas was a better hitter, then it's not a lie since a lie is a statement someone knows is false, but is made with the intention that others will see it as truth. However, it is more than feasible to say and believe that Frank was just generally a better hitter than Manny in their primes. But since I know your smart enough to realize that Frank was not a "far better" hitter in his prime than Manny, the statement was technically a lie, albeit a relatively insignificant little white lie.

I think you're overanalyzing a bit. The word far just sort of came out. Not even sure why I used it. Point is, one cannot "lie" about a subjective opinion.

 

[Kyyle23]

You said Thomas was a far better hitter in his prime than Manny, that is what I called a lie because it is. And yes Frank has drawn a few more walks, but Manny has hit for a little more power. In the end, the numbers are and pretty much always will be a wash once they both retire, and I think that's fitting since they are about even in terms of hitters once you balance out all the factors.

 

why does it have to be a lie?

[Balta1701]

Well done, Manny.

On a workout day, Manny Ramirez gave Boston fans a real reason to get worked up.

 

With the Red Sox just one loss from elimination, the star slugger was asked about Game 5 of the AL Championship Series against Cleveland.

 

"Why should we panic?" he said Wednesday in a rare clubhouse interview. "We've got a great team."

 

And then, this: "It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."

[Linnwood]

Head games? Tonight's anthem singer is Beckett's ex

Thursday, October 18, 2007

Michael K. McIntyre

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

Country music artist Danielle Peck will sing the national anthem and "God Bless America" at tonight's Indians game.

 

She will not sing, "Stand by Your Man."

 

Peck, it turns out, dated Red Sox pitching ace Josh Beckett, who is starting tonight's do-or- die game against the Tribe and who handed them their only loss in the American League Championship Series.

 

They met last summer. They're not an item anymore.

 

The Indians claim they had no idea of the love connection when they announced Tuesday that Peck would replace Taylor Swift as tonight's vocalist.

 

"It's an incredible coincidence. Honestly," said Indians spokesman Bob DiBiasio. "This isn't another bug thing."

 

Midges get all over your skin.

 

Exes can get in your head.

 

DiBiasio said when Swift couldn't do the game, a country music booker recommended Peck, a rising star in the industry. She's from Coshocton and has a hit single, "I Don't."

 

"She's from Ohio. Her entire family are Indians fans. We did not know anything about her connections to Beckett. The next day, we find out the rest of the story," said DiBiasio. "How are we supposed to know who Josh Beckett dates?"

 

We'll take the Indians at their word.

 

But it's no secret that Beckett also has dated actress Alyssa Milano and model Leeann Tweeden.

 

If Tweeden models "Mrs. Sizemore" shirts on the scoreboard and Milano throws out the first pitch, we'll know the games aren't just on the field.

 

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