Torre turns down Yankees and will not return

[thedoctor]

Torre

[Dick Allen]

All the media surrounding the Tampa complex all week and nobody ever bothered to ask Torre if he still wanted the job. The paycut and 1 year commitment may have been the thing to make him say no, but I doubt it. He still would have been the highest paid manager in baseball. Even would have gotten a raise had they won it all. I think he's sick of being treated like a bag of s***.

Edited October 18, 2007 by Dick Allen

[Rowand44]

Good for him.

[jackie hayes]

The offer was laughable. It would have been better to just say outright that he couldn't come back.

 

Better still if Torre had told Steinbrenner to f*** off, but we still have Manny for entertainment.

[bschmaranz]

It was a move made by the Yankees to save face to those fans who wanted Torre to stick around.

[Chombi]

All I am hearing about on NY's espn radio right now is how Torre was insulted and too proud to take a paycut. That may be so, but why can't they guy just be fed up?

 

Every year he deals with rumors and nonsense of getting fired. It just happened a few weeks ago.

 

Why would he want to sign a one year deal w/ an option, for less pay if he doesnt accomplish goals, and basically gaurentee more of the same treatment??? Thanks, but I'll pass. Let me go coach elsewhere.

 

The team is aging. They need a makeover. He knows it, and to me just stuck it to them. My only hope is he gets the last laugh and these "supporters" like Posada and Rivera to follow him out the door. They're already angry about not getting an extension done, now Torre is gone so hopefully they go to.

 

That organization represents the good and the evil of baseball. Their struggles make me smile and hopefully it just gets worse for them.

[Dick Allen]

The offer was laughable. It would have been better to just say outright that he couldn't come back.

 

Better still if Torre had told Steinbrenner to f*** off, but we still have Manny for entertainment.

I really don't know how laughable a guaranteed $5 million is. He still would be the highest paid manager in the game. Also an extra $1 million for each round of playoffs the Yankees win makes it $7 million if he makes the WS and $8 million, if they won it. I really don't believe his decision had much to do about money.

[WilliamTell]

way to go Joe! Now I can completely dislike the Yankees, I always like Torre.

[Texsox]

He managed to stick around there a lot longer than anyone else would have. I think he's about ready to hit the broadcast booth then retire.

[knightni]

Mattingly and Girardi and finalists, I'm sure.

[3 BeWareTheNewSox 5]

Called it when that George ultimatum came out. I told my NY friends, stop wondering 'will they bring him back?!?!', because if they do offer him something, he'll tell them to shove it, no way he wants to put up with that crap anymore.

 

Now it could also be an embarrassing offer that they made to save face

 

Either way, I'm still surprised Cashman gets no heat. The Boss called him out in the middle of the year and said this year was all being placed on him, but I guess it's true that the Boss is now a loon and doesn't run things anymore

[knightni]

Time for the Yanks to bid farewell to Rivera/Giambi/Clemens/Mussina/ARod/Abreu/Pettitte/Posada and *gasp* rebuild and get younger.

Edited October 18, 2007 by knightni

[Dick Allen]

Time for the Yanks to bid farewell to Rivera/Giambi/Clemens/Mussina/ARod/Abreu/Pettitte/Posada and *gasp* rebuild and get younger.

I agree. This collection wasn't winning it all. They still will have a ton of $ to play with. They better hope their young pitchers are as good as advertised or they won't be winning until they can get Santana and a few others on their roster.

[LosMediasBlancas]

Lowball a guy they don't want around and try to make him look like the bad guy. How long til King George rips him in the press?

Hmmm, what other team sometimes treats people this way?

[jackie hayes]

I really don't know how laughable a guaranteed $5 million is. He still would be the highest paid manager in the game. Also an extra $1 million for each round of playoffs the Yankees win makes it $7 million if he makes the WS and $8 million, if they won it. I really don't believe his decision had much to do about money.

A huge pay cut, a one-year deal to show that they have no confidence in him, and if everything goes right and they win the whole deal, a whopping 6.7% pay raise. THAT is a sham offer. It's cowardly and very laughable.

[DBAHO]

It's still a lot of money, but it's also a pretty decent pay cut, so I can see why with him being fed up with everything and the job scrutiny he had to go through, why he would walk away.

 

Mattingly's the favorite, but I'm thinking they may actually go with Girardi if they want to get younger, because of the job he did with Florida and their young players.

 

As for Torre, do people think that'll be it for him, or if say a job such as the Cardinals opens up, would he be interested in that?

 

And also, would LaRussa be at all a candidate for the Yankees job?

[Dick Allen]

A huge pay cut, a one-year deal to show that they have no confidence in him, and if everything goes right and they win the whole deal, a whopping 6.7% pay raise. THAT is a sham offer. It's cowardly and very laughable.

It is not. Its a base salary 43% higher than the second highest managerial salary. If he makes the playoffs, which is almost a lock since he has made them every year he's been with the Yankees, his salary would be 72% higher than any other manager. If he wins 1 playoff series he would put away double what the next highest paid manager makes. If he makes it to the WS he gets 230 % of what the next highest paid manager gets, and gets $8 million vested for 2009. If that's laughable because its insulting, you need to work for Boras. I don't blame him for walking away, he wanted 2 years guaranteed and there is no doubt the Yankees knew he wouldn't take this, and considering they never bothered even negotiating a little bit, they obviously did not want him. That's granted, and for that, I give Torre all the credit in the world for telling them to buzz off. But the money wasn't laughable. He makes it to the ALCS he would have been paid more than the next 2 managers on the list combined. Interestingly, 14 MLB managers make less than $1 million a year. Ozzie gets $1.1 million.

[max power]

Lowball a guy they don't want around and try to make him look like the bad guy. How long til King George rips him in the press?

Hmmm, what other team sometimes treats people this way?

Every team when its appropriate. What would you have them do?

[Dick Allen]

It's still a lot of money, but it's also a pretty decent pay cut, so I can see why with him being fed up with everything and the job scrutiny he had to go through, why he would walk away.

 

Mattingly's the favorite, but I'm thinking they may actually go with Girardi if they want to get younger, because of the job he did with Florida and their young players.

 

As for Torre, do people think that'll be it for him, or if say a job such as the Cardinals opens up, would he be interested in that?

 

And also, would LaRussa be at all a candidate for the Yankees job?

Wasn't the big knock on Girardi, besides yelling at the owner, his handling of young pitchers? The Yankees rotation is going young. If he blows those arms, or shoulders, or elbows out, they are in trouble.

[fathom]

Wasn't the big knock on Girardi, besides yelling at the owner, his handling of young pitchers? The Yankees rotation is going young. If he blows those arms, or shoulders, or elbows out, they are in trouble.

 

Yes, Girardi was horrible in how he handled their young pitchers. He should be banned from baseball for the crap he pulled. What a piece of s***.

[Dick Allen]

Joe Torre, NYY $7.5 million

Lou Piniella, CHC $3.5 million

Bobby Cox, ATL $3 million

Tony La Russa, STL $2.8 million

Mike Scioscia, LAA $2 million

Jim Leyland, DET $2 million

Bruce Bochy, SF $1.75 million

Terry Francona, BOS $1.65 million

Phil Garner, HOU $1.5 million

Willie Randolph, NYM $1.4 million

Mike Hargrove, SEA $1.3 million

Ron Gardenhire, MIN $1.25 million

Ozzie Guillen, CHW $1.1 million

Eric Wedge, CLE $1.025 million

Jim Tracy, PIT $1 million

Bob Melvin, ARI $875,000

Buddy Bell, KC $825,000

Ned Yost, MIL $825,000

Clint Hurdle, COL $800,000

Charlie Manuel, PHI $800,000

Jerry Narron, CIN $600,000

Grady Little, LAD $600,000

Sam Perlozzo, BAL $600,000

Ron Washington, TEX $600,000

Joe Maddon, TAM $550,000

John Gibbons, TOR $500,000

Manny Acta, WAS $500,000

Bob Geren, OAK $500,000

[DBAHO]

Yes, Girardi was horrible in how he handled their young pitchers. He should be banned from baseball for the crap he pulled. What a piece of s***.

I know that a few SP's for the Marlins such as Johnson and Sanchez did suffer injury problems this season.

 

Of course you have to remember with Torre he didn't really handle the main set-up guys in his pen that well either, Scott Proctor for example before he was traded for Betemit.

[jackie hayes]

It is not. Its a base salary 43% higher than the second highest managerial salary. If he makes the playoffs, which is almost a lock since he has made them every year he's been with the Yankees, his salary would be 72% higher than any other manager. If he wins 1 playoff series he would put away double what the next highest paid manager makes. If he makes it to the WS he gets 230 % of what the next highest paid manager gets, and gets $8 million vested for 2009. If that's laughable because its insulting, you need to work for Boras. I don't blame him for walking away, he wanted 2 years guaranteed and there is no doubt the Yankees knew he wouldn't take this, and considering they never bothered even negotiating a little bit, they obviously did not want him. That's granted, and for that, I give Torre all the credit in the world for telling them to buzz off. But the money wasn't laughable. He makes it to the ALCS he would have been paid more than the next 2 managers on the list combined. Interestingly, 14 MLB managers make less than $1 million a year. Ozzie gets $1.1 million.

When did I say the money was laughable on some absolute scale? Yes, $5 mil is a lot of money, etc etc etc. But the "OFFER" was a joke. The one-year, conditionality-loaded deal announces to everyone that he has no support from management. And a pay cut does indicate that someone is not as valuable as he was before. (Or that the market has changed; but with Piniella's deal it doesn't look like manager money is drying up league-wide.) He was worth $7.5 mil to the Yankees this year, unconditionally, and the best possible outcome was a WS win. Even if he accomplishes that next year, his salary will go up basically by inflation plus.

 

Basically, I said it was laughable because, when I heard the terms of the deal, I laughed. He was obviously not going to accept that deal, it seemed to me. That's what I call a laughable offer. If any schmuck can see that the person getting the offer will refuse it, I think it's pretty funny to even make it. The Yankees should have manned up and just cut ties instead of going through this whole charade.

[southsider2k5]

Joe Torre, NYY $7.5 million

Lou Piniella, CHC $3.5 million

Bobby Cox, ATL $3 million

Tony La Russa, STL $2.8 million

Mike Scioscia, LAA $2 million

Jim Leyland, DET $2 million

Bruce Bochy, SF $1.75 million

Terry Francona, BOS $1.65 million

Phil Garner, HOU $1.5 million

Willie Randolph, NYM $1.4 million

Mike Hargrove, SEA $1.3 million

Ron Gardenhire, MIN $1.25 million

Ozzie Guillen, CHW $1.1 million

Eric Wedge, CLE $1.025 million

Jim Tracy, PIT $1 million

Bob Melvin, ARI $875,000

Buddy Bell, KC $825,000

Ned Yost, MIL $825,000

Clint Hurdle, COL $800,000

Charlie Manuel, PHI $800,000

Jerry Narron, CIN $600,000

Grady Little, LAD $600,000

Sam Perlozzo, BAL $600,000

Ron Washington, TEX $600,000

Joe Maddon, TAM $550,000

John Gibbons, TOR $500,000

Manny Acta, WAS $500,000

Bob Geren, OAK $500,000

 

I am sure if your boss offered you a 33% paycut and no job security, you'd be all over that, right?

 

[Dick Allen]

I am sure if your boss offered you a 33% paycut and no job security, you'd be all over that, right?

Let's see, here's $5 million guaranteed, plus we will have a team with a payroll around $220 million. If you can guide them to the playoffs, here's another $1 million. If you can guide them to the ALCS, we will give you another million, and if you take this team that will be paid almost double every other team except one to the WS we will give you another million plus guarantee you $8 million the next year, so make the WS, here's $16 million for 2 years. By the way, the most anyone else in the world will get paid to do your same job the next 2 years is $7 million total. I'm pretty sure I would take it, but I don't have Torre's bank. Job security for a 67 year old who very well may just retire anyway is laughable. Last I checked, he has no offers, and very much doubt anyone will pay him more than the Yankees offered him in 2008. This was more about pride, and probably not wanting to go through what he has to go through if the Yankees don't win every season. I commend him for turning it down, but as I stated before, the money was pretty good. More guaranteed for 1 season than the White Sox have paid Ozzie Guillen his entire managerial career.