bschmaranz Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 La Russa close; GM search to wait Oct 19 - According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, Tony La Russa is close to re-upping with the Cardinals for three more seasons, and the deal should be finalized in the next few days. Meanwhile, Gammons also reports that the Cardinals' GM search will be postponed until after the World Series. Rick Hahn of the White Sox appears to be the front-runner, although Cardinals chairman Bill DeWitt might try to lure Indians assistant GM Chris Antonetti. Interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 I really think when and if Hahn gets another job, its really going to hurt the White Sox more than you would think an assitant GM leaving would hurt. I would rank Hahn the second brightest individual in the organization, second to JR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 07:56 AM) I really think when and if Hahn gets another job, its really going to hurt the White Sox more than you would think an assitant GM leaving would hurt. I would rank Hahn the second brightest individual in the organization, second to JR. I agree. I'd rather the Cardinal's hire KW and the Sox make Hahn their GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 12:56 PM) I really think when and if Hahn gets another job, its really going to hurt the White Sox more than you would think an assitant GM leaving would hurt. I would rank Hahn the second brightest individual in the organization, second to JR. Absolutely - I certainly don't want him to go anywhere, but at the same time, it would be a great move for him. I would be happy for him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Yeah there's no doubt losing Hahn would be a big loss to the franchise. He's the one who does the majority of the contract negotiations, and I think most people would agree he'd done a pretty good job at doing this, from the Buehrle deal to say signing Iguchi to a 2 year deal with an option for a 3rd (typical Rick Hahn contract). I will say though, if Antonetti wanted the job, I think it would be his. He's rated very highly at the moment, and he's got a similar sort of background to the likes of Mark Shapiro, Josh Byrnes etc. whose teams were all having success this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 QUOTE(SEALgep @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 08:09 AM) Absolutely - I certainly don't want him to go anywhere, but at the same time, it would be a great move for him. I would be happy for him... My feelings exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 maybe Hahn will balk at being forced to accept Tony as his manager instead of picking his own guy. then the sox start slowly, KW gets the ziggy and Hahn gets the corner office. That's my hope. Sorry, Kenny. Take Andrew sisco, Nick Masset, Lance Broadway, Jerry Owens and Danny Richar and get out of town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Rick is a great guy, extremely smart, and is an expert on contracts, labor relations, among other things. I am very surprised he hasn't been snapped up a while ago. It would be a big loss but I can understand how he'd want the Cardinals job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Who would replace Hahn if he left? Could we get some stathead genius? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 10:36 AM) Rick is a great guy, extremely smart, and is an expert on contracts, labor relations, among other things. I am very surprised he hasn't been snapped up a while ago. It would be a big loss but I can understand how he'd want the Cardinals job. I agree. Its one of the premier jobs IMO. He was smart enough not to even bother with the Pittsburgh job, if this doesn't happen for him, something will soon enough. Listening to him, he's pretty impressive. What happens a lot when guys like Hahn leave to a new team is they usually are interested in a few guys from their old organization. If Hahn gets this job, I wonder who he would try to get from KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 10:31 AM) maybe Hahn will balk at being forced to accept Tony as his manager instead of picking his own guy. then the sox start slowly, KW gets the ziggy and Hahn gets the corner office. That's my hope. Sorry, Kenny. Take Andrew sisco, Nick Masset, Lance Broadway, Jerry Owens and Danny Richar and get out of town. I don't know how you would balk at your first GM job with one of the winningest teams in baseball in the past 20 years, because of the manager, a guy who I don't like, but a guy who only has less managerial wins than John McGraw and Connie Mack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Only reason you would balk at LaRussa is because he is LaRussa, a genius who gets all the credit when his team wins because he's the king of the self-promotion game (see endless books, laudatory articles and other goodies, despite having two world series wins in about 25 seasons). I would think most GMs would want to name their own manager. Bottom line is that I hope Hahn stays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 11:37 AM) I don't know how you would balk at your first GM job with one of the winningest teams in baseball in the past 20 years, because of the manager, a guy who I don't like, but a guy who only has less managerial wins than John McGraw and Connie Mack. Full disclosure: I happen to be a Tony fan. Not too many mangers with more than two WS wins in the last 25 years. I believe only Joe Torre. And all time I'll bet less than ten guys have won three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 21, 2007 -> 10:58 AM) Full disclosure: I happen to be a Tony fan. Not too many mangers with more than two WS wins in the last 25 years. I believe only Joe Torre. And all time I'll bet less than ten guys have won three. Pretty close, you just missed Sparky if you count the last one as within 25 years. 15 guys have won 2. 44 guys have won 1. # First Last Manager 7 1932 1943 Joe McCarthy 7 1949 1958 Casey Stengel 5 1910 1930 Connie Mack 4 1955 1965 Walter Alston 4 1996 2000 Joe Torre 3 1905 1922 John McGraw 3 1923 1928 Miller Huggins 3 1975 1984 Sparky Anderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 07:56 AM) I really think when and if Hahn gets another job, its really going to hurt the White Sox more than you would think an assitant GM leaving would hurt. I would rank Hahn the second brightest individual in the organization, second to JR. What moves have Hahn made to make you think this ? Why is he so bright in your opinion - please provide examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 10:36 AM) Rick is a great guy, extremely smart, and is an expert on contracts, labor relations, among other things. I am very surprised he hasn't been snapped up a while ago. It would be a big loss but I can understand how he'd want the Cardinals job. Yes, I truly believe this will be a huge loss and with Ozzie locked up for more years and KW running the nut house, it looks like we will lose the more stable guy. Its going to be a long three years. I wonder if Hahn will take KW's whiteboard approach, I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 I heard that the Sox expect to lose Hahn but aren't worried because they have Harold Baines set to accept the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Well hopefully Rick has been training someone on how to do his job, because we will need it. Good luck to Rick, hopefully for his sake he gets the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxt Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 01:41 PM) I heard that the Sox expect to lose Hahn but aren't worried because they have Harold Baines set to accept the position. Let's assume that you are serious in your assessment....The Sox might not be worried but I would be. Harold Baines would have no business taking on a job like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 QUOTE(spiderman @ Oct 21, 2007 -> 04:28 PM) What moves have Hahn made to make you think this ? Why is he so bright in your opinion - please provide examples. Yeah what do you guys know of what he has done individually to make you like him so much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Yeah what do you guys know of what he has done individually to make you like him so much? It's a fair question. There are many things actually. First of all he is the primary contract guy. I remember people on this site who were 100% positive Buehrle wasn't going to re-sign with the White Sox. Some bullwinkle even said it was a shame, Buehrle would win 280 games in his career and most of them would be in another uniform. Thank Rick Hahn in large part for getting it done. All of these contracts, especially the ones where they buy guys out of a couple years of free agency, that's Rick Hahn for the most part. He is also the labor relations expert for the team, a very critical role. Further and not a lot of people are aware of this, but Rick does a great deal of the initial trade negotiations. Williams can't be everywhere and Hahn does a ton of networking and discussing personnel with other GM's and his counterparts. He is extremely respected in baseball circles and that alone is enough reason to like him and think highly of him. He is a large part of getting personnel moves to happen. He is a big part of recruiting free agents, he helps a great deal with getting draft choices into the fold. Lastly, he has been a huge element of insisting the Sox look very hard at their minor league and scouting operations, and recommending changes and a plan of action. Regier and Laumann and also I believe Wilder report directly to Rick, freeing up Williams to focus on working with Guillen and the coaching staff. Bottom line, Hahn has a great deal more responsibility than most Asst. GM's and it's because he has the complete trust of both Williams and Reinsdorf. It is also a credit to both Williams and Reinsdorf that they have prepared Hahn for a greater role, not only has it been beneficial to the White Sox these last few years but it also good for Hahn's career, and that's what the White Sox like to do, they like to further develop their upcoming executive talent. If Hahn ends up in St. Louis I would expect Wilder and Regier to have greater roles, assuming Regier doesn't end up working for MacPhail in Baltimore. So hopefully that answers some questions about Hahn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Let's assume that you are serious in your assessment....The Sox might not be worried but I would be. Harold Baines would have no business taking on a job like that. No, I wasn't serious. I thought it was funny atleast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Trib reports that Hahn was kept out of many discussions at the organizational meetings because of his being recruited for other jobs. Secrecy and all. Sounds to me like they think he is likely to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 09:37 AM) Interesting. Link, scoll to bottom past the Ozzieball stuff. It wasn't a harsh thing or anything, just reality (don't want to make it seem like they were upset with him or something). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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