2007-08 NBA Thread

[Balta1701]

Just on Gilbert, do you still think he gets a max deal in the off-season, coming off 2 knee surgeries?

Isn't he tentatively supposed to be able to play towards the end of this season? He may not want to risk it, but that's the issue.

 

The other potential problem for him in getting a max contract is that as far as most people are saying, the only team this offseason with any kind of big cap room will be the 76ers, and that evaporates when they sign Iguodala. So he may well not get one simply because of lack of options, unless he stays in Washington or there's a sign and trade.

[ZoomSlowik]

Just on Gilbert, do you still think he gets a max deal in the off-season, coming off 2 knee surgeries?

 

I personally wouldn't give him a max deal anyways, though someone clearly will. He takes so many shots and hits at such a low percentage that he shoots your team out of about as many games as he wins you. He really seems to fit as the next Iverson or Marbury, a guy that puts up great numbers that doesn't really get you anywhere because he doesn't make the rest of the team any better and is disinterested on defense.

Edited December 12, 2007 by ZoomSlowik

[Steve9347]

I personally wouldn't give him a max deal anyways, though someone clearly will. He takes so many shots and hits at such a low percentage that he shoots your team out of about as many games as he wins you. He really seems to fit as the next Iverson or Marbury, a guy that puts up great numbers that doesn't really get you anywhere because he doesn't make the rest of the team any better and is disinterested on defense.

I already stated over on TalkBulls that I think Washington is better without Gilbert in their lineup. Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison have played much better (especially Butler) without him in the lineup.

 

Gilbert will get a max deal, and I'll laugh at the team that gives it to him.

[ZoomSlowik]

I already stated over on TalkBulls that I think Washington is better without Gilbert in their lineup. Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison have played much better (especially Butler) without him in the lineup.

 

Gilbert will get a max deal, and I'll laugh at the team that gives it to him.

 

They are playing better without him right now, but I don't think they have enough firepower to succeed long-term with that lineup. Gilbert is flawed, but he's still very talented and a guy that is hard to replace. If they let Arenas go they really need to add another capable scorer, ideally someone in the post that can give them about 15 points and play good defense. Most of the league is looking for one of those guys though.

Edited December 12, 2007 by ZoomSlowik

[SleepyWhiteSox]

He really seems to fit as the next Iverson or Marbury, a guy that puts up great numbers that doesn't really get you anywhere because he doesn't make the rest of the team any better and is disinterested on defense.

 

Hmm...debatable...

 

[Palehosefan]

If teams would just put him at SG instead of PG, things would go alot smoother. He wouldn't quite be the same ball vacuum when the PG has a decision to give him the ball or not each possession instead of Gilbert having to create for his teammates.

[ZoomSlowik]

Hmm...debatable...

 

Really? How many times did his team advance deep into the playoffs even in a weak Eastern Conference? Even when he was a scoring machine he was only able to do anything of note once, and they still got spanked in the final. Granted his teams never had a decent secondary scorer (it would have been hard with his volume of shots anyways), but even now when he's paired with Carmelo he's unlikely to get another good shot with the depth of that conference.

Edited December 12, 2007 by ZoomSlowik

[ZoomSlowik]

If teams would just put him at SG instead of PG, things would go alot smoother. He wouldn't quite be the same ball vacuum when the PG has a decision to give him the ball or not each possession instead of Gilbert having to create for his teammates.

 

I really doubt that's the case, because he's still your primary scorer. It's not like Iverson or Kobe playing SG ever stopped them from dominating the ball.

[Steve9347]

They are playing better without him right now, but I don't think they have enough firepower to succeed long-term with that lineup. Gilbert is flawed, but he's still very talented and a guy that is hard to replace. If they let Arenas go they really need to add another capable scorer, ideally someone in the post that can give them about 15 points and play good defense. Most of the league is looking for one of those guys though.

Yeah, a team with the likes of Caron Butler, Antawn Jamison, Andray Blatche, Antonio Daniels, Roger Mason, Nick Young, and hell even Brendan Haywood is really looking for offensive options.

 

Caron Butler is so much better than Gilbert its not even funny.

[ZoomSlowik]

Yeah, a team with the likes of Caron Butler, Antawn Jamison, Andray Blatche, Antonio Daniels, Roger Mason, Nick Young, and hell even Brendan Haywood is really looking for offensive options.

 

Caron Butler is so much better than Gilbert its not even funny.

 

Eh, only the first two are consistent scorers. The other guys chip in their 7-10 here and there. That works if you want to get a 6-seed and maybe make it into the second round, not if you actually want to go somewhere.

[Steve9347]

Eh, only the first two are consistent scorers. The other guys chip in their 7-10 here and there. That works if you want to get a 6-seed and maybe make it into the second round, not if you actually want to go somewhere.

Yeah, with Gilbert the Wizards have just been dominating the Eastern Conference Finals and the NBA Championships...

[ZoomSlowik]

Yeah, with Gilbert the Wizards have just been dominating the Eastern Conference Finals and the NBA Championships...

 

Never said they were, though last year would have been more interesting if Arenas and Butler hadn't gotten hurt at the end of the year.

 

that was my whole point though, he hurts as much or more than he helps. However, that consistent 25+ points a game is still a lot to replace and their D is still suspect. If their only goal is to maintain their decent but not stellar level of success, then sure, Butler and Jamison and a bunch of decent but not stellar players can probably do that. But that supporting cast you rattled off doesn't exactly make up a true contender. Some depth up front would be huge for that team, especially if they could somehow add a legit starter that could help them on both ends of the floor.

Edited December 12, 2007 by ZoomSlowik

[Steve9347]

Never said they were, though last year would have been more interesting if Arenas and Butler hadn't gotten hurt at the end of the year.

 

that was my whole point though, he hurts as much or more than he helps. However, that consistent 25+ points a game is still a lot to replace and their D is still suspect. If their only goal is to maintain their decent but not stellar level of success, then sure, Butler and Jamison and a bunch of decent but not stellar players can probably do that. But that supporting cast you rattled off doesn't exactly make up a true contender. Some depth up front would be huge for that team, especially if they could somehow add a legit starter that could help them on both ends of the floor.

My argument is and was that they are a better team without Gilbert as currently assembled. I wasn't talking about adding a legitimate inside scoring threat or anything.

 

They play better team defense and take much better shots without Gilbert on the floor.

[ZoomSlowik]

My argument is and was that they are a better team without Gilbert as currently assembled. I wasn't talking about adding a legitimate inside scoring threat or anything.

 

They play better team defense and take much better shots without Gilbert on the floor.

 

I know what your argument is, we started there. It's debateable, which is pretty sad when you think about it, but I still don't quite think that's the case. I would say they're roughly equal, since they're likely to be somewhere around .500 either way. The defense is essentially the same (this year they're allowing 3 more points per game WITHOUT Arenas), and though the O is more efficient it's also not quite as explosive or diverse because you really only have 2 guys that can kill you instead of 3. We've also seen them for only 13 games without Arenas, they're likely to hit a dry spell when Butler or Jamison hits a dry stretch with the jumpers (as my fantasy team has seen, Jamison is HIGHLY prone to those), since none of their other players are capable of consistently hitting the teens.

Edited December 12, 2007 by ZoomSlowik

[Palehosefan]

Gilbert, like Joe Johnson, is the type of player that gives GM's tons of heartburn. As a GM, you know what you are getting, and what you aren't getting. You know you are paying max or near max money for a player that will put up some points and put some fans in the seats. But you aren't going to win anything of significance with them leading the teams.

[Balta1701]

Houston is currently 3/18 from the Free Throw line against Detroit. Who here feels they could beat Houston's entire team at a game of Horse by going to the FT line?

[whitesoxfan101]

Houston is currently 3/18 from the Free Throw line against Detroit. Who here feels they could beat Houston's entire team at a game of Horse by going to the FT line?

 

And they still won, amazing. Ended up 6/22. Also, the Bulls suck, the Knicks LOST AT HOME TO SEATTLE (!!!!) and Orlando forgot how to play all of a sudden, Dallas is really struggling, and Portland is improving.

[DBAHO]

And they still won, amazing. Ended up 6/22. Also, the Bulls suck, the Knicks LOST AT HOME TO SEATTLE (!!!!) and Orlando forgot how to play all of a sudden, Dallas is really struggling, and Portland is improving.

Yeah we've hit our 1st speedbump, lost 3 in a row.

 

Offensively we're back where we were last season, committing around 20 TO's a game and only shooting 35-40%.

 

That's not going to work, and we need to pick it up.

[knightni]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3155228

 

Tyrus Thomas suspended one game for fight with Pacers.

[Balta1701]

Nazr Mohammed to the Bobcats for Primo Brezec, Walter Hermann.

[jackie hayes]

Nazr Mohammed to the Bobcats for Primo Brezec, Walter Hermann.

Huh.

 

So, I don't trust my intuition about NBA trades, but that seems to be a very nice move for the Pistons. Yes? No?

[DBAHO]

Depends on how Mohammed does.

 

He was decent in New York, but hasn't been the same since. They obviously don't see Okafor as a C long - term.

 

Herrman is the sleeper in the deal. If he produces what he did at the end of last season, I like the deal for the Pistons.

[Balta1701]

He was decent in New York, but hasn't been the same since. They obviously don't see Okafor as a C long - term.

Well, some of that, and some of Sean May being out probably drove this deal.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

They obviously don't see Okafor as a C long - term.

 

Probably because he rejected the extension...

[DBAHO]

Probably because he rejected the extension...

Which was really a dumb decision on his part, as Gilbert put it.

 

He's a double - double player at best.