2007-08 NBA Thread

[danman31]

Bulls are 0-3 in close games under Boylan and they should have won all 3. This is a fireable offense as far as I'm concerned. If he's fun to play for, but can't coach I might as well coach the Bulls.

[DBAHO]

Losing to the Knicks at home should be a fireable offense. Seriously.

[Balta1701]

Losing to the Knicks at home should be a fireable offense. Seriously.

I believe it already helped cost Skiles his job. And this is a good way for Boylan to not come back next year.

[Chisoxfn]

I think Chris Paul deserves to be an all star over all of them. My list would probably be 1. Chris Paul 2. Baron Davis 3. Deron Williams 4. Tony Parker.

 

As far as Steven Jackson, I think he is a very important part of the Warriors but I dont think he is an all star.

Is everyone forgetting about Steve Nash. He just has a few MVP's and is still pretty damn awesome. I'd probably put Nash (Paul is a very close 2nd and will soon pass Nash), Deron, Parker, Davis (I knock Davis a bit more than most due to his injuries and I will admit when healthy he is a better player than Parker). By the way, welcome to Soxtalk

[GoodAsGould]

Is everyone forgetting about Steve Nash. He just has a few MVP's and is still pretty damn awesome. I'd probably put Nash (Paul is a very close 2nd and will soon pass Nash), Deron, Parker, Davis (I knock Davis a bit more than most due to his injuries and I will admit when healthy he is a better player than Parker). By the way, welcome to Soxtalk

 

Eh I did forget about nash.... That being said this year I think Chris Paul has been better and deserves the allstar game more. Nash 2nd than Baron.

[Chisoxfn]

Eh I did forget about nash.... That being said this year I think Chris Paul has been better and deserves the allstar game more. Nash 2nd than Baron.

I can buy the Chris Paul being a better individual player than Nash but I can't underestimate all that Nash has done for the Suns. He just makes everyone around him great and I know Paul makes his surrounding players better but I don't think he does it quite to the level that Nash does (not yet at least).

[A's fan]

everyone loses sometimes guys. The Majic lost to the kings tonight

[A's fan]

My warriors got beat up on by Portland today however barron hardly played

[Steve9347]

My warriors got beat up on by Portland today however barron hardly played

It's spelled Baron and he hardly played because he didn't show up in the first quarter and by the end of that the game was already over. I have a buddy who lives in SF and is becoming a Warriors fan (just moved from Chicago), and he and I both question when Wright is going to get some run.

 

I know figuring out Don Nelson is like curing the common cold, but any idea if his PT will increase?

[ChWRoCk2]

It's spelled Baron and he hardly played because he didn't show up in the first quarter and by the end of that the game was already over. I have a buddy who lives in SF and is becoming a Warriors fan (just moved from Chicago), and he and I both question when Wright is going to get some run.

 

I know figuring out Don Nelson is like curing the common cold, but any idea if his PT will increase?

From Yahoo....

Jan 7 Warriors coach Don Nelson said he was going to give Wright more playing time, the San Jose Mercury News reports. Wright had been inactive or been a DNP-CD in 22 of the team's first 33 games before he started against New Orleans on Friday.

 

Recommendation: "I’m going to try to start playing him a little bit," Nelson said. "Well, first of all, my job is more than just worrying about this year. I’m trying to bring my young guys along best I can." Wright played just six minutes in the loss to the Hornets, but was very active, scoring five points and grabbing four rebounds. "He wasn’t ready to play at all at the beginning of the year," Nelson said. "He’s worked hard and I think it’s time to take a look at him. I’m going to try to play him a few minutes every game so he starts to feel more comfortable." We don't expect big minutes from Wright immediately, but we'll be keeping an eye on his playing time.

 

He logged 16 mins vs Portland so maybe that could mean something.

[DBAHO]

From Yahoo....

He logged 16 mins vs Portland so maybe that could mean something.

The game was a blowout though.

 

Speaking of which, how good are Portland going to be with Greg Oden back next season. The 1 thing they really need is a dominant big, and Oden could be that guy.

 

And getting Aldridge amd Brandon Roy at #4 and #6, while the Bulls took Tyrus Thomas at #2, ugh, that can't be a good stat for Bulls fans.

 

They've really wasted a lot of top 5 picks over the past 6-8 years (the Bulls that is). Curry, Chandler, Williams and now Thomas it looks like.

[Rowand44]

The game was a blowout though.

 

Speaking of which, how good are Portland going to be with Greg Oden back next season. The 1 thing they really need is a dominant big, and Oden could be that guy.

 

And getting Aldridge amd Brandon Roy at #4 and #6, while the Bulls took Tyrus Thomas at #2, ugh, that can't be a good stat for Bulls fans.

 

They've really wasted a lot of top 5 picks over the past 6-8 years (the Bulls that is). Curry, Chandler, Williams and now Thomas it looks like.

The sad thing is that we had Chandler and Aldridge. Obviously Aldridge was picked to be traded but yeesh, it'd sure be nice to have Tyson and/or LaMarcus.

Edited January 10, 2008 by Rowand44

[DBAHO]

I think everyone is regretting not choosing Andrew Bynum in that draft from a couple of seasons ago also. I loved Isiah's logic is picking Charlie Frye over him.

 

Can't remember who the Bulls picked in that draft (think everyone wanted Gerald Green, but they didn't, that was a fun draft thread), but we had the next pick after the Lakers and we chose (gulp) Fran Vazquez.

[whitesoxfan101]

I think everyone is regretting not choosing Andrew Bynum in that draft from a couple of seasons ago also. I loved Isiah's logic is picking Charlie Frye over him.

 

Can't remember who the Bulls picked in that draft (think everyone wanted Gerald Green, but they didn't, that was a fun draft thread), but we had the next pick after the Lakers and we chose (gulp) Fran Vazquez.

 

Bulls didn't have any picks in the 2005 draft. There is the first round of that draft:

 

1 Milwaukee Bucks Andrew Bogut, Utah

2 Atlanta Hawks Marvin Williams, North Carolina

3 Utah Jazz Deron Williams, Illinois

4 New Orleans Hornets Chris Paul, Wake Forest

5 Charlotte Bobcats Raymond Felton, North Carolina

6 Portland Trail Blazers Martell Webster, Seattle Prep HS

7 Toronto Raptors Charlie Villanueva, Connecticut

8 New York Knicks Channing Frye, Arizona

9 Golden State Warriors Ike Diogu, Arizona State

10 LA Lakers Andrew Bynum, St. Joseph (NJ) HS

11 Orlando Magic Fran Vazquez, Spain

12 LA Clippers Yaroslav Korolev, CSKA Moscow

13 Charlotte Bobcats Sean May, North Carolina

14 Minnesota Timberwolves Rashad McCants, North Carolina

15 New Jersey Nets Antoine Wright, Texas A&M

16 Toronto Raptors Joey Graham, Oklahoma State

17 Indiana Pacers Danny Granger, New Mexico

18 Boston Celtics Gerald Green, Gulf Shores Acad (TX)

19 Memphis Grizzlies Hakim Warrick, Syracuse

20 Denver Nuggets Julius Hodge, North Carolina State

21 Phoenix Suns (to New York) Nate Robinson, Washington

22 Denver Nuggets (to Portland) Jarrett Jack, Georgia Tech

23 Sacramento Kings Francisco Garcia, Louisville

24 Houston Rockets Luther Head, Illinois

25 Seattle SuperSonics Johan Petro, France

26 Detroit Pistons Jason Maxiell, Cincinnati

27 Portland Trail Blazers (to Denver) Linas Kleiza, Missouri

28 San Antonio Spurs Ian Mahinmi, STB Le Havre (France)

29 Miami Heat Wayne Simien, Kansas

30 New York Knicks David Lee, Florida

 

Bynum is just surrounded by garbage picks, what a coup that was for the Lakers. Also, at least I got one right saying Granger would end up the steal of the 1st round. The 2nd round was garbage with a few exceptions, like Monta Ellis at #40, Ryan Gomes at #50, and some other guys like Louis Williams and Brandon Bass are having breakout pretty good years this year. Actually, in retrospect, that was just a garbage draft once you get outside some of the studs in the top 10.

 

The sad thing is that we had Chandler and Aldridge. Obviously Aldridge was picked to be traded but yeesh, it'd sure be nice to have Tyson and/or LaMarcus.

 

Would be nice if we had kept Chandler, traded Gordon, and drafted Roy. Hinrich, Roy, Deng, Joe Smith, Tyson Chandler perhaps could be your starting 5 right now. That might beat some eastern conference teams.

Edited January 11, 2008 by whitesoxfan101

[A's fan]

It's spelled Baron and he hardly played because he didn't show up in the first quarter and by the end of that the game was already over. I have a buddy who lives in SF and is becoming a Warriors fan (just moved from Chicago), and he and I both question when Wright is going to get some run.

 

I know figuring out Don Nelson is like curing the common cold, but any idea if his PT will increase?

 

 

The way the warriors score they can close the gap fast so their was no blowout in my opinion. I think he wanted to get the younger guys,bench PT due to the starters playing so many minutes as KNBR put it. I dont think wright gets a lot of PT because nelson isn't big on rookies. Marco should start getting some PT but hes a rook as well.

 

 

My warriors will get Portland the next time around.

[Balta1701]

Whoa. Kooky.

The NBA today granted a game protest filed by the Miami Heat after its 117-111 loss to the Atlanta Hawks on December 19 at Philips Arena, which will result in the replay of the final 51.9 seconds of the game's overtime period with the Hawks leading 114-111. The replay will occur immediately prior to the next scheduled game between the two teams -- on March 8, 2008, also at Philips Arena.

 

The Heat protested the game because, with 51.9 seconds remaining in overtime, the Hawks' scoring table personnel incorrectly disqualified the Heat's Shaquille O'Neal - asserting that a foul committed by O'Neal was his sixth foul of the game, when in fact it was only his fifth. The error occurred because the Hawks' Official Scorer mistakenly attributed to O'Neal a foul at 3:24 remaining in the fourth period that was actually called against the Heat's Udonis Haslem.

 

NBA Commissioner David Stern found that the Hawks were grossly negligent in committing this scoring error, since they failed to follow league-mandated scoring procedures and failed to respond effectively when the members of the statisticians' crew noticed the mistake. Because of this conduct by Atlanta's personnel, Miami suffered a clear competitive disadvantage, as O'Neal - the Heat's second leading scorer and rebounder that night - was removed from a one-point game with only 51.9 seconds remaining. Under this unprecedented set of circumstances, the Commissioner granted the Heat's protest, and fined the Hawks $50,000 for their violation of league rules.

 

The protest is the first granted by the NBA since December 14, 1982 when then-NBA Commissioner Larry O'Brien upheld a protest by the San Antonio Spurs concerning their 137-132 double overtime loss to the Los Angeles Lakers on Nov. 30. The Spurs and Lakers finished the game on April 13 with San Antonio collecting a 117-114 win.

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[Rowand44]

That's different.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I think everyone is regretting not choosing Andrew Bynum in that draft from a couple of seasons ago also.

 

I doubt the Hornets would.

[DBAHO]

You see I don't know about that.

 

Paul is a hell of a PG right now, and probably just ahead of Deron Williams as the best player from that draft.

 

But Bynum could be as dominant as Ming and Howard in a season or 2.

 

20/10 bigs don't exactly grow on trees, they're very scarce.

[Steve9347]

You see I don't know about that.

 

Paul is a hell of a PG right now, and probably just ahead of Deron Williams as the best player from that draft.

 

But Bynum could be as dominant as Ming and Howard in a season or 2.

 

20/10 bigs don't exactly grow on trees, they're very scarce.

Dude. Chris Paul is going to win the MVP trophy and contend for the next 15 years. Those just don't come around. Chris Paul is the best player in the NBA not named LeBron or Nash (I don't put Kobe on that level)...

 

Seriously, Chris Paul is just outstanding. He's averaging 21.3 points, nearly 3 steals, 10.2 assists, shooting nearly 50%, and only turns the ball over 2.5 times per game despite the incredible amount he touches the ball.

 

Yeah, Bynum's good, but Chris Paul makes his entire team better (just like Nash in Phoenix), and I can safely say is the most valuable player in the NBA not named LeBron (when you consider the age of Nash).

[DBAHO]

Ok well I'd say CP3 has probably emerged as a top 5 player in the NBA ATM. Byron Scott's down a great job with him. But you could argue about these guys also;

 

Dwight Howard - 22.4 points, 15.2 boards, 2.6 blocks, 60.5% from the field.

Dwyane Wade - 25 points, 6.9 assists, 47.7% from the field.

Carlos Boozer - 23.3 points, 10.8 boards, 55.2% from the field.

Melo - 25.2 points, 6.9 boards.

 

And you gotta have Kobe in the top 5. On value to their team's you could argue about a Tim Duncan also.

 

[Steve9347]

Ok well I'd say CP3 has probably emerged as a top 5 player in the NBA ATM. Byron Scott's down a great job with him. But you could argue about these guys also;

 

Dwight Howard - 22.4 points, 15.2 boards, 2.6 blocks, 60.5% from the field.

Dwyane Wade - 25 points, 6.9 assists, 47.7% from the field.

Carlos Boozer - 23.3 points, 10.8 boards, 55.2% from the field.

Melo - 25.2 points, 6.9 boards.

 

And you gotta have Kobe in the top 5. On value to their team's you could argue about a Tim Duncan also.

Regardless, Andrew Bynum isn't even in the same area code. Of those four you listed above, the only one I'd arguably place in Paul's league is Dwight Howard (just in his ability to dominate).

 

Wade is always injured... Boozer benefits from thea forementioned Deron Williams, and Melo just flat out doesn't change the game all that much.

[SoxAce]

Most people are going to be hearing of four players in the NBA "the most and as far as their positions and consistant game changer" for years.

 

PG-Chris Paul (D-Will a close second)

C-Dwight Howard (jury still out on Oden)

SG/SF-Lebron James (Wade is there, but injuries are a b****)

SF/PF-Kevin Durant (future is damn bright)

 

Game changers. Well... they stick out the most in my mind.

 

 

[Steve9347]

My sister in law claims she heard on the radio that the Bulls dealt Wallace/Thomas/Gordon for McGrady. Anyone heard anything like this?

 

She's probably nuts.

[WHarris1]

My sister in law claims she heard on the radio that the Bulls dealt Wallace/Thomas/Gordon for McGrady. Anyone heard anything like this?

 

She's probably nuts.

Nothing on either major Bulls board I read, I doubt everyone on RealGM would have missed it.