2007-08 NBA Thread

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Gotta see how Brand comes back from his injury first. It was a serious one...

 

And CP3 and Nash are better PGs than deron williams...

[whitesoxfan101]

Gotta see how Brand comes back from his injury first. It was a serious one...

 

And CP3 and Nash are better PGs than deron williams...

 

Steve Nash is not as good as Deron Williams. Nash is nothing but a statistically inflated product of his own system, as has been seen with the level of performance by the Suns since the incredibly stupid Shaq trade.

Edited March 11, 2008 by whitesoxfan101

[DBAHO]

Rosen's reasoning was that with Deron's size, and Sloan's system not allowing for Williams to inflate his numbers, he was still the best PG.

 

Well I'd say he's certainly the best defensive PG in the NBA. CP3 gambles a little too much IMHO.

[Steve9347]

Rosen is an idiot. CP3 is the much better player than Deron Williams.

 

It's always easy to write a piece like this right after a player puts up 20 dimes like Deron did, but come on, the supporting cast is much better in Utah than in New Orleans... Paul makes that team.

[whitesoxfan99]

Rosen is an idiot. CP3 is the much better player than Deron Williams.

 

It's always easy to write a piece like this right after a player puts up 20 dimes like Deron did, but come on, the supporting cast is much better in Utah than in New Orleans... Paul makes that team.

 

Much better...come on that is just ridiculous. Supporting cast much better in Utah? Arguable at best. Can you honestly say that Kirilenko, Boozer, Brewer and Okur are much better than Peja, David West, Peterson and Tyson Chandler. I just don't see it. I'll give you that Utah's bench is better because of Korver and Milsap.

[rangercal]

the supporting cast is much better in Utah than in New Orleans.

Steve, You lost me on this. I would say the supporting casts are close to even.

[whitesoxfan101]

So, the Bulls absolutely dominated the Jazz and won by 12 tonight. I'm officially diagnosing this team as bipolar, which is better than the just plain bad they've been most of the year at least.

[Balta1701]

So, the Bulls absolutely dominated the Jazz and won by 12 tonight. I'm officially diagnosing this team as bipolar, which is better than the just plain bad they've been most of the year at least.

Give this team a solid coach, system, and maybe a leader somewhere and it could turn around real quick. And play the damn kids.

[Dick Allen]

Give this team a solid coach, system, and maybe a leader somewhere and it could turn around real quick. And play the damn kids.

I think I read that the Bulls are now the youngest team in the NBA.

[Balta1701]

I think I read that the Bulls are now the youngest team in the NBA.

And you would be correct. And after they subtract Duhon and add in the #9-10 pick in this year's draft, then they'll look even younger (although each person will add a year).

 

They really could use a vet stuck in somewhere. Maybe someone who winds up being a better leader than Ben "clubhouse killa" Wallace or Griffin were.

[DBAHO]

Bulls need to go hard after either Jeff Van Gundy or Tom Thibodeau as their next coach IMHO.

 

Both would suit the style of play the Bulls have had under Skiles / Boylan.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Right now, Nash > deron. What he can do on offense outshines deron's clear advantage on D. He is that system.

 

And deron is surrounded with better talent than CP3.

 

Sorry guys...

 

And that's not a knock on deron at all. He runs a team better than other premier PGs like Billups, Kidd, and Baron Davis.

[whitesoxfan101]

Right now, Nash > deron. What he can do on offense outshines deron's clear advantage on D. He is that system.

 

And deron is surrounded with better talent than CP3.

 

Sorry guys...

 

And that's not a knock on deron at all. He runs a team better than other premier PGs like Billups, Kidd, and Baron Davis.

It's ok, you have the right to be wrong.

 

In all seriousness though, that is where we disagree, I don't have much respect for Nash. I think Billups, Paul, Davis, and Williams are better at PG. Nash is only 5th IMO.

[WilliamTell]

The Jazz are also bipolar in terms of home and road. I have not been this pissed off watching the Jazz in a few years. Granted I get to see maybe 5 games tops not counting the playoffs, but they were pathetic tonight.

[southsider2k5]

If a game last night doesn't tell you that the Bulls have been dogging it for 90% of this season, I don't know what will. They should all be embarassed by how pathetic they have played this year, compared to how they could have been playing. They don't deserve to make the playoffs.

[Balta1701]

Bulls need to go hard after either Jeff Van Gundy or Tom Thibodeau as their next coach IMHO.

 

Both would suit the style of play the Bulls have had under Skiles / Boylan.

I'm really not sure the Bulls are set up to play like they did under Skiles/Boylan. With their age and with the athletic big men they have, I think there'd be a decent advantage to the Bulls with opening up more and picking up the pace. I mean, Noah's literally a point guard who grew another foot who can now get you a dozen rebounds, and Tyrus is still a pogo stick. Throw in Luol Deng, if he can ever find that outside jumpshot he had last year that has totally deserted him this year, and the other youngin's in the backcourt, and they'd be well set up to push the tempo more rather than playing the slowdown half court game.

[whitesoxfan101]

If a game last night doesn't tell you that the Bulls have been dogging it for 90% of this season, I don't know what will. They should all be embarassed by how pathetic they have played this year, compared to how they could have been playing. They don't deserve to make the playoffs.

 

You summed up an entire Bulls sentence, with 100 percent accuracy and inclusion, in a matter of 3 sentences. Well done.

 

Also, with your comments in mind, it's clear whoever the Bulls hire as coach needs to be a master motivator. Something as simple as a swift kick in the ass that gets them to play harder would make the Bulls significantly better.

 

I'm really not sure the Bulls are set up to play like they did under Skiles/Boylan. With their age and with the athletic big men they have, I think there'd be a decent advantage to the Bulls with opening up more and picking up the pace. I mean, Noah's literally a point guard who grew another foot who can now get you a dozen rebounds, and Tyrus is still a pogo stick. Throw in Luol Deng, if he can ever find that outside jumpshot he had last year that has totally deserted him this year, and the other youngin's in the backcourt, and they'd be well set up to push the tempo more rather than playing the slowdown half court game.

 

I must say I agree with all of this as well.

Edited March 12, 2008 by whitesoxfan101

[Kyyle23]

You summed up an entire Bulls sentence, with 100 percent accuracy and inclusion, in a matter of 3 sentences. Well done.

 

Also, with your comments in mind, it's clear whoever the Bulls hire as coach needs to be a master motivator. Something as simple as a swift kick in the ass that gets them to play harder would make the Bulls significantly better.

I must say I agree with all of this as well.

 

I dont know that a master motivator will be completely necassary next year, as I think we are going to be seeing a lot more turnover on the roster than previously expected. Of the current roster, who do you really expect to be on the Bulls for the first game? I doubt we will see Duhon, Gordon, possibly Deng, Thomas has been in many rumors, as has Nocioni. The type of team assembled will determine the type of coach necessary IMO.

[whitesoxfan101]

I dont know that a master motivator will be completely necassary next year, as I think we are going to be seeing a lot more turnover on the roster than previously expected. Of the current roster, who do you really expect to be on the Bulls for the first game? I doubt we will see Duhon, Gordon, possibly Deng, Thomas has been in many rumors, as has Nocioni. The type of team assembled will determine the type of coach necessary IMO.

 

Amen on the bolded. Although, I only HOPE your right about the turnover. However, I don't trust John Paxson, who overevaluates his own talent more than any GM I have ever seen, and could keep most of the roster even though he shouldn't. I think Gordon and Duhon especially HAVE to be gone though, but Duhon gets no run anymore, so that doesn't mean much.

Edited March 12, 2008 by whitesoxfan101

[Kyyle23]

Amen on the bolded. Although, I only HOPE your right about the turnover. However, I don't trust John Paxson, who overevaluates his own talent more than any GM I have ever seen, and could keep most of the roster even though he shouldn't.

 

After listening to his comments after disciplining Duhon(say that 7 times fast), I have complete faith in Paxson cutting the fat from this team. He is pissed

 

 

On a good note, did anyone notice the impact Thabo had on the lineup last night? I really think he is starting to find himself offensively and defensively now, his confidence is way up there.

[Balta1701]

After listening to his comments after disciplining Duhon(say that 7 times fast), I have complete faith in Paxson cutting the fat from this team. He is pissed

On a good note, did anyone notice the impact Thabo had on the lineup last night? I really think he is starting to find himself offensively and defensively now, his confidence is way up there.

The big run in the late 1st/early 2nd that gave the Bulls the lead they held for the full night was keyed with a lineup including Tyrus and Thabo.

 

As punishment for building that big lead, they hardly played in the 2nd half.

[DBAHO]

I'm really not sure the Bulls are set up to play like they did under Skiles/Boylan. With their age and with the athletic big men they have, I think there'd be a decent advantage to the Bulls with opening up more and picking up the pace. I mean, Noah's literally a point guard who grew another foot who can now get you a dozen rebounds, and Tyrus is still a pogo stick. Throw in Luol Deng, if he can ever find that outside jumpshot he had last year that has totally deserted him this year, and the other youngin's in the backcourt, and they'd be well set up to push the tempo more rather than playing the slowdown half court game.

Yeah that's a good point.

 

But you look at who Paxson has hired in his tenure as a GM so far, and I think he still wants the slow the down the offense and grind out games type of coach.

 

I think Thibodeau would be a fantastic choice. I credit him with Boston's resurgence this season more than Doc Rivers, Thibodeau is argubly the best defensive assistant coach in the NBA today, he deserves an NBA head coach opportunity, and he's probably going to get it this off-season.

 

That's why I thought the Bulls really needed another center, if they're going to keep the same style of play.

[whitesoxfan101]

The defense first style does not work unless you have a DOMINANT defensive player inside (Ben Wallace, circa 2004 and 2005), or a DOMINANT offensive player inside (Tim Duncan). The only real exception to that rule I've seen lately is the 2007 Cavs, who narrowly won maybe the worst conference in NBA history (the 2007 East, only better than the 2008 East) with a transcent postseason from an all time great player on the wing.

 

It's all fine and good if the Bulls want to play a slow down, defensive style. Problem is, they don't have anything more than average (at best) interior players, both on offense and defense. If the Bulls want to win anytime soon at all, they need to speed the game up, and use their youth and athleticism to get on the run. I'm still not sure if the Bulls have enough consistent scoring to do that, but it's the best option right now IMO, especially since they aren't going to get a top 10 pick, and thus likely won't get any sort of dominant player in the draft.

Edited March 12, 2008 by whitesoxfan101

[whitesoxfan99]

The defense first style does not work unless you have a DOMINANT defensive player inside (Ben Wallace, circa 2004 and 2005), or a DOMINANT offensive player inside (Tim Duncan). The only real exception to that rule I've seen lately is the 2007 Cavs, who narrowly won maybe the worst conference in NBA history (the 2007 East, only better than the 2008 East) with a transcent postseason from an all time great player on the wing.

 

It's all fine and good if the Bulls want to play a slow down, defensive style. Problem is, they don't have anything more than average (at best) interior players, both on offense and defense. If the Bulls want to win anytime soon at all, they need to speed the game up, and use their youth and athleticism to get on the run. I'm still not sure if the Bulls have enough consistent scoring to do that, but it's the best option right now IMO, especially since they aren't going to get a top 10 pick, and thus likely won't get any sort of dominant player in the draft.

 

I'd argue the 2008 east is better than 2007. Boston is better than any team in the East last year, Detroit really hasn't had any drop off. Orlando is better. Toronto is basically the same team. The Bulls are worse but they weren't a real contender anyway. Cavs still have Lebron. Miami sucks but they weren't a real contender last year either.

[DBAHO]

But do Boston have that type of player? I suppose Garnett, and Perkins is a defensive first center, but the Bulls could easily bring in that type of center.

 

I've heard more about James Posey being so important to Boston's defense than anything. One of the elite wing defenders in the NBA today.

 

The Bulls just need to go all out for Elton Brand if he becomes available.