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Thought I'd start this up to get people thoughts on this. B-Mac to Texas for Nick Masset and John Danks.

 

Right now, if you're KW, would you still make this deal, based on talent?

 

FWIW here are the numbers of all 3 for 2007;

 

B-Mac - 5-10, 4.87 ERA, 59K's and 48BB's.

Danks - 6-13, 5.50 ERA, 109K's and 54BB's.

Masset - 2-3, 7.09 ERA, 21K's and 26BB's.

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QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 07:52 AM)
Thought I'd start this up to get people thoughts on this. B-Mac to Texas for Nick Masset and John Danks.

 

Right now, if you're KW, would you still make this deal, based on talent?

 

FWIW here are the numbers of all 3 for 2007;

 

B-Mac - 5-10, 4.87 ERA, 59K's and 48BB's.

Danks - 6-13, 5.50 ERA, 109K's and 54BB's.

Masset - 2-3, 7.09 ERA, 21K's and 26BB's.

This trade obviously hasn't worked out for either side yet. I was very much against this trade when it was made. Right now if you made the trade, it basically would be McCarthy for Danks because Masset is out of options and I don't think you could reasonably assume he would make the team. Whether I would do it or not would be a decision left up to the medical people concerning BMac's injury. If he is or can fully heal without it becoming a chronic problem, I still would rather have him than Danks.

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QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 05:52 AM)
Thought I'd start this up to get people thoughts on this. B-Mac to Texas for Nick Masset and John Danks.

 

Right now, if you're KW, would you still make this deal, based on talent?

 

FWIW here are the numbers of all 3 for 2007;

 

B-Mac - 5-10, 4.87 ERA, 59K's and 48BB's.

Danks - 6-13, 5.50 ERA, 109K's and 54BB's.

Masset - 2-3, 7.09 ERA, 21K's and 26BB's.

The one number that cannot be overlooked is HRs:

 

B-Mac - 101.2 IP, 9 HR

Danks - 139.0 IP, 28 HR

 

Danks is two years younger, and is a southpaw. With those factors, the trade is basically a wash. Also, if Floyd doesn't completely suck in Spring Training, Danks plays in AAA all year. This is one of those trades that you need to look at in 2 years.

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And I think this is the reality for most trades. No clear winner or loser. Certainly the really lopsided, obvious trades are the minority. This one is interesting because it is pitcher for pitcher and can be evaluated easier. The take this off my surplus and give me that to fill a hole trade is much more difficult to evaluate.

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QUOTE(RME JICO @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 07:33 AM)
The one number that cannot be overlooked is HRs:

 

B-Mac - 101.2 IP, 9 HR

Danks - 139.0 IP, 28 HR

 

Danks is two years younger, and is a southpaw. With those factors, the trade is basically a wash. Also, if Floyd doesn't completely suck in Spring Training, Danks plays in AAA all year. This is one of those trades that you need to look at in 2 years.

 

Then again, you can look at the strikeout to walk ratio and Danks definitely comes out on top of that, which bodes well for him. Add in the fact that he is a lefty and the additional year before free agency, then it's looking pretty good on the home front. Also, Masset is not completely out of the equation yet.

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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 04:09 PM)
Jacob Rasner. AAP Page. Went 7-11 with a 6.83 ERA at Kannapolis this year.

 

Wasn't he part of hte Chris Stewart deal or was there another terrible single A pitcher in that deal.

 

To skew things even more compare who they had to pitch against. I think Danks really ran out gas or he really benefitted from the cold weather. Funny how bad April was and beautiful October was/is.

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QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 02:22 PM)
Wasn't he part of hte Chris Stewart deal or was there another terrible single A pitcher in that deal.

 

To skew things even more compare who they had to pitch against. I think Danks really ran out gas or he really benefitted from the cold weather. Funny how bad April was and beautiful October was/is.

Not optimistic about their pursuit of free agent Barry Zito, the Texas Rangers acquired right-hander Brandon McCarthy from the Chicago White Sox in a five-player deal on Saturday.

 

The Rangers gave up 2003 first-round pick John Danks, a 21-year left-hander who hasn't yet pitched in the major leagues, and right- handers Nick Masset and Jacob Rasner in exchange for McCarthy and 18- year-old outfielder David Paisano.

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Chris Stewart was traded for John Lujan. Went 2-5 with a 3.73 ERA at Winston Salem, at age 23.

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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 04:25 PM)
Link.

 

Chris Stewart was traded for John Lujan. Went 2-5 with a 3.73 ERA at Winston Salem, at age 23.

Lujan's stats are a little misleading. He pitched in 49 games. 48 as a reliever and started one game.

 

If not for the bad start, he looked pretty good.

 

 

Relief / Start

W 2 / 0

L 4 / 1

ERA 2.95 / 27.00

G 48 / 1

IP 79 / 2.2

H 68 / 8

R 36 / 8

ER 26 / 8

HR 6 / 1

BB 34 / 3

SO 87 / 3

BAA .226 / .570

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Why is John Denks considered to be a prize prospect ? He doesn't blow people away, and while I think he'll get better, am I wrong to think he's, at best, a #3 starter a few seasons down the road ? What am I missing - why is Denks considered a prized pitcher when acquired by the White Sox ?

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QUOTE(spiderman @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 06:58 PM)
Why is John Denks considered to be a prize prospect ? He doesn't blow people away, and while I think he'll get better, am I wrong to think he's, at best, a #3 starter a few seasons down the road ? What am I missing - why is Denks considered a prized pitcher when acquired by the White Sox ?

Because KW said so, and he was the GM when the White Sox won the WS so he is never wrong. There's a lot to be positive about with Danks, and there are some red flags. Most pitchers struggle when they are his age, and at least at the beginning of the year, he had a nice killer instinct, and attacked hitters. Running out of gas when he did has to be a concern. 130 IP on the year, and the last 40 or so were painful. He also stopped attacking hitters. Did facing him a few times let them figure him out? I certainly don't think he'll be an ace, but what's wrong with a #3? There are a lot of teams that would love to have a #3. I think it will take a while for him to reach that status though. For 2008, I just don't see how he suddenly is going to be able to give you 175-200 innings. Its one of the reasons trading Garland will be a huge gamble. There will be a ton of innings that need to be picked up, and the in house candidates to pick them up are definitely questionable at best as far as having much major league success in 2008.

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