The B-Mac Trade

[29andPoplar]

Because KW said so, and he was the GM when the White Sox won the WS so he is never wrong.

 

Not sure where this is coming from, certainly not from Williams himself. He beats himself up a lot more than any fans might.

 

As for Danks, any scouting report I remember reading said #2 starter tops. He is young with room to grow as a pitcher, he showed some mound smarts. As you said though, running out of gas when he did is a huge concern. Yes, he will likely get stronger and more durable as he adapts to the major leagues. I share your concern about penciling him in for 175 effective innings.

 

His mechanics, particularly the follow through, were inconsistent, which cause him to leave an inordinate amount of pitches up in the zone. I don't have the stats but I remember a bunch of HR's when he pitched. Like most young pitchers, he needs a better level of consistency and confidence. There were too many deep counts, again from memory. He is a hard worker so there's no concern about that. He wants to be better and he will compete.

 

The White Sox badly need one of these young guys to develop into a consistent starter. Maybe more than one. Otherwise they've got more problems than they already have. It will be interesting to see what they do with Nick Masset, I feel he has proven he's not a reliever.

[bigruss]

Not sure where this is coming from, certainly not from Williams himself. He beats himself up a lot more than any fans might.

 

As for Danks, any scouting report I remember reading said #2 starter tops. He is young with room to grow as a pitcher, he showed some mound smarts. As you said though, running out of gas when he did is a huge concern. Yes, he will likely get stronger and more durable as he adapts to the major leagues. I share your concern about penciling him in for 175 effective innings.

 

His mechanics, particularly the follow through, were inconsistent, which cause him to leave an inordinate amount of pitches up in the zone. I don't have the stats but I remember a bunch of HR's when he pitched. Like most young pitchers, he needs a better level of consistency and confidence. There were too many deep counts, again from memory. He is a hard worker so there's no concern about that. He wants to be better and he will compete.

 

The White Sox badly need one of these young guys to develop into a consistent starter. Maybe more than one. Otherwise they've got more problems than they already have. It will be interesting to see what they do with Nick Masset, I feel he has proven he's not a reliever.

 

I really wouldnt be surprised if Masset beat out Floyd for a spot in the rotation next year if Garland/Contreras is traded. Masset never got comfortable in the reliever role and has shown that he can still turn into an effective starter.

[greg775]

Hope you are right about Massett as a starter.

His pitches scream hit me, as do Danks' and Mac's.

[witesoxfan]

I really wouldnt be surprised if Masset beat out Floyd for a spot in the rotation next year if Garland/Contreras is traded. Masset never got comfortable in the reliever role and has shown that he can still turn into an effective starter.

 

What gives you that idea? Masset's 4.57 ERA and 1.32 WHIP in 9 starts and 11 games at AAA (as opposed to Floyd's 3.12 ERA and 1.20 WHIP in 17 starts)?

[The Ginger Kid]

When Danks is at his best he's far more nasty than bmac, IMO. So he got hit around a bit in his first year in the bigs. It was a good year for it, as it turned out. Let's see how he responds next year. I think he's got great potential. He attacks hitters and doesn't back off, which I really like. Yes, he leaves too many out over the plate. But that's subject to change, possibly.

[bigruss]

What gives you that idea? Masset's 4.57 ERA and 1.32 WHIP in 9 starts and 11 games at AAA (as opposed to Floyd's 3.12 ERA and 1.20 WHIP in 17 starts)?

 

Well, I know it is only one start, but that game that Masset pitched vs. the Cubs showed his potential. Im also not saying that he will, but he has the stuff to beat out Floyd and if he has a strong spring training i just wouldnt be surprised if he won a rotational spot if we only return MB/Vaz/Danks/(Count or Garland). Floyd was still getting hit pretty hard in his "good" outings and still has a lot to prove. Basically what I am trying to say is that I dont think the Sox organization is going to give the 5th starter job to Floyd without a battle, and I believe taht some guys we have could really make a push for that opening

[Dick Allen]

Well, I know it is only one start, but that game that Masset pitched vs. the Cubs showed his potential. Im also not saying that he will, but he has the stuff to beat out Floyd and if he has a strong spring training i just wouldnt be surprised if he won a rotational spot if we only return MB/Vaz/Danks/(Count or Garland). Floyd was still getting hit pretty hard in his "good" outings and still has a lot to prove. Basically what I am trying to say is that I dont think the Sox organization is going to give the 5th starter job to Floyd without a battle, and I believe taht some guys we have could really make a push for that opening

So you ignore all his previous minor league results and base your opinion on one start against a team that had never faced him,without one of their best players in the line-up on a 45 degree day with the wind howling in? His minor league record is 32-49 with a 4.53 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP. He's probably a mediocre spring training away from having to look for a real job.

Edited October 26, 2007 by Dick Allen

[bigruss]

So you ignore all his previous minor league results and base your opinion on one start against a team that had never faced him,without one of their best players in the line-up on a 45 degree day with the wind howling in? His minor league record is 32-49 with a 4.53 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP.

 

And Floyd has a 6.30 ERA for his MLB career, what im trying to say is that floyd isnt a lock and Masset has some good pitches to work with. if he can pull it together he could win the starting job, but im also not saying that floyd wont win it, i jsut havent been impressed enough by him last season or in his career to give him the job or to expect him to run away in spring training with it.

Edited October 26, 2007 by bigruss22

[Dick Allen]

And Floyd has a 6.30 ERA for his MLB career, what im trying to say is that floyd isnt a lock and Masset has some good pitches to work with. if he can pull it together he could win the starting job, but im also not saying that floyd wont win it, i jsut havent been impressed enough by him last season or in his career to give him the job or to expect him to run away in spring training with it.

I think if the Sox are counting on good things from either of them, there is reason to be very concerned.

Edited October 26, 2007 by Dick Allen

[witesoxfan]

I think if the Sox are counting on good things from either of them, there is reason to be very concerned.

 

agreed, unless "good things" are a 5.50 ERA; you can't even count on that though either.

[DBAHO]

Masset would really have to impress in ST to win a rotation spot over Floyd IMHO, if either Garland or Contreras were traded.

 

Yes Floyd has issues, and yes his MLB ERA is terrible. But he showed enough in some of his starts in the 2nd half of the season, and especially in the last 2 months, that he's worth persisting with.

 

It's just a long , winding road to get him to produce that consistently unfortunately, namely because of the confidence issues he has and him not wanting to really attack opposing hitters.