whitesoxfan101 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 http://www.nba.com/news/rosters_set_071029.html Not sure what this means, but I thought it deserved it's own thread as this is big news regardless of the reason for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Haha wow. It's basically gotten untenable for Kobe over there now. My guess is, Kobe to the Bulls for Gordon, Thomas and Noah plus a future 1st. A starting lineup of Hinrich, Kobe, Deng, Joe Smith? and Wallace, should be enough for the Bulls to make the Eastern Conference Finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 12:08 AM) A starting lineup of Hinrich, Kobe, Deng, Joe Smith? and Wallace, should be enough for the Bulls to make the Eastern Conference Finals. So should our current lineup, imo. I don't like this trade you've proposed for some reason. We lose a lot of depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 As long as the Bulls keep Deng and Hinrich, they can trade the rest of the damn team for Kobe for all I care. Those 2 and Kobe beat out the Big 3 in Boston IMO when you consider how old all 3 of those guys are. Plus, the Bulls won't trade EVERYBODY and have the depth to still have some talent after a deal to go with the big 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 05:18 AM) As long as the Bulls keep Deng and Hinrich, they can trade the rest of the damn team for Kobe for all I care. Those 2 and Kobe beat out the Big 3 in Boston IMO when you consider how old all 3 of those guys are. Plus, the Bulls won't trade EVERYBODY and have the depth to still have some talent after a deal to go with the big 3. It hurts the depth at forward immensely, but if all it takes is Gordon, Noah, Thomas and a first, I'll drive the three guys to the airport myself. I know the Bulls' first rounders for the foreseeable future don't figure to be great picks, but if need be, the Bulls should be willing to throw in an extra first rounder or two if that's what it takes to get the deal done. If they make this deal, that will ensure my being at the Bradley Center this Saturday (which I know you all care about). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'm down for the white women lover. The only thing I hope we do is trade Noah instead of Thomas (considering he's a future stud and all) but if thats what it takes to get it done, it'll be good times in the Chi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'll be at the Bulls home opener, so either way, get this nonsense done in time for that. I might just piss my pants if Kobe is in the lineup that night. As for the depth......yeah it will hurt, but if you can have Kobe and keep Deng, Hinrich, and Big Ben (and Joe Smith), you do it and ask questions later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 12:08 AM) My guess is, Kobe to the Bulls for Gordon, Thomas and Noah plus a future 1st. So how would this work money-wise?? Personally, I'm all for trading any and all of Gordon, Tyrus, Noah, Noc, Griffin, and however many first- and second-rounders can reasonably be traded to get Kobe. QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 12:25 AM) It hurts the depth at forward immensely Pick up a guy like Juwan Howard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 05:02 PM) So how would this work money-wise?? Personally, I'm all for trading any and all of Gordon, Tyrus, Noah, Noc, Griffin, and however many first- and second-rounders can reasonably be traded to get Kobe. Pick up a guy like Juwan Howard. The Bulls would have to re-sign Gordon to a new deal I presume, and then it would work capwise. Right now I don't know if the Bulls could win the East. They were close last season, but Boston will be up there, Detroit is always there, and even teams such as Orlando could make a run this season. I think if the Bulls traded for Kobe they would win the East over Boston. Don't know if Skiles would allow for Nocioni to be traded either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 01:15 AM) Don't know if Skiles would allow for Nocioni to be traded either. Can't for a while anyways, but I'm not a fan of his contract. I don't think a lot of people who have grown fond of guys like Gordon and Tyrus realize just how much we need and how much better the Bulls can be with a go-to superstar of Kobe's caliber and how much they overvalue the Bulls' depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 06:33 AM) I don't think a lot of people who have grown fond of guys like Gordon and Tyrus realize just how much we need and how much better the Bulls can be with a go-to superstar of Kobe's caliber and how much they overvalue the Bulls' depth. Yep, you're right on here. It's ridiculous -- when talking to the 'average' fan -- how much certain people overrate Ben Gordon. You also get the people who don't want to win with Kobe because he's a "bad guy" and all of these Bulls players are "good guys". Getting back on point, though, having Kobe on the floor would elevate do wonders to elevate the games of Deng and Hinrich. Deng isn't particularly quick, but I've noticed he's very good when he gets a kickout pass, he's good at finding the lane that is left when the defender is forced to close out quickly. He also seems to have developed a very good mid-range game which would (obviously) be key with Kobe. I'm getting very excited. I'm the first to say that I'm not one who you could call one of the bigger Bulls fans, but getting Kobe would change my whole perspective on the season and would definitely force me to keep a closer eye on them than if they didn't have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'm with 101 on this one, completely. Gordon becomes so damn useless if Kobe is on this team. Keep Deng and Kirk, get Kobe and win the East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) PG: Hinrich SG: Kobe SF: Deng PF: Smith C: Wallace Bench: Thabo (can play 2 or 3) Duhon (1) Gray (4 or 5) Curry (can play 1 or 2) Nocioni (can play 3 or 4, and can't trade him until December, so he wouldn't be in the deal) Sign Juwan Howard to play the 4 and/or 5?? Plus, Thomas Gardner made the team and can play the 2 or 3 If that can't win the east, the team is f***ing cursed. GET IT DONE!! Oh, and as for Ben Gordon, his only useful skill is a dynamic scorer, and Kobe can do that 10 times better than Ben, is 6'6, a great defender, and has 3 rings of experience. Edited October 30, 2007 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I still think the Celtics would certainly give you a run for your money though. The big advantage you would have though, Scott Skiles >>> Doc Rivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=61584 If a deal happens at all- it won't happen before Dec 15th. That's when the Bulls can deal Noc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 12:25 AM) It hurts the depth at forward immensely, but if all it takes is Gordon, Noah, Thomas and a first, I'll drive the three guys to the airport myself. I know the Bulls' first rounders for the foreseeable future don't figure to be great picks, but if need be, the Bulls should be willing to throw in an extra first rounder or two if that's what it takes to get the deal done. If they make this deal, that will ensure my being at the Bradley Center this Saturday (which I know you all care about). Plus there is a decent free agent class of big men this upcoming offseason correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(rockren @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 06:20 AM) http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=61584 If a deal happens at all- it won't happen before Dec 15th. That's when the Bulls can deal Noc. If they put him on the inactive list they are not waiting till the 15th to make this happen. I dont understand why you think that Noc is a reason to wait. He is a nice player, but what we call a throw in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 01:02 AM) Pick up a guy like Juwan Howard. Mavs signed him today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Noc's re-signing could be a contributing factor to Deng getting dealt for Kobe if Luol won't agree on a decently-priced contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 So it looks like Kobe is playing tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I think that the NBA.com roster hasn't been updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 09:09 AM) If they put him on the inactive list they are not waiting till the 15th to make this happen. I dont understand why you think that Noc is a reason to wait. He is a nice player, but what we call a throw in. Unless the Bulls throw Hinrich or Wallace in the deal to make it happen....Noc is the third highest paid player on the Bulls roster to get this done. That's why Noc is the reason to wait. Even if the Bulls actually wanted to trade Gordon, Deng, Tyrus and Noah...it wouldn't work under the CBA. Kobe makes 19.5 million next year. You need SOME type of big salary to add in and Noc is exactly that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 (edited) http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/1/ Go ahead and try some trades. Nothing reasonable can happen until Dec 15th. Edited October 31, 2007 by rockren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 There are 2 known facts you are forgetting: 1. Ben Gordon's agent wants an obscene amount of money for his client, as he has the baffling illusion that his client is a superior player to Luol Deng. 2. If you give Gordon a big extension and combine that with using the rights you have to P.J. Brown and Mike Sweetney, things become feasible. With that said, if this trade hasn't occured by opening tip of the Bulls game tomorrow, then yes you are right that there is no way the Bulls would be able to acquire Kobe until mid December when Nocioni becomes tradeable. I can't see this drama going on for that long though, if the trade doesn't happen tomorrow I think you start hearing more about the 3 team rumor involving the Wizards that is out there. We'll see though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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