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[Dick Allen]

Yes I agree-the Yanks are definatly anxious to fill 3B to make a statement to Bora$$-and nostayRod.

Then wouldn't be ironic if they acquired Crede, another Boras client?

[klaus kinski]

Does anyone know how many Bora$$ players they already have?

[SoxPride56]

Does this help you klaus?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Boras_Clients

[Colorado Sox Fan]

Damon is going downhill, fast. The Yanks would love to unload him. When healthy, he's good, but he's not able to stay healthy. I don't want another Erstad/Pods deal.

 

Spend as much as possible on as many free agents as we can sign. Stop talking like a poor second-tier franchise.

 

I just thought of something. Wasn't Kenny preparing for '08 last off-season and that's why he dealt Freddy? Well, '08 is here. Hmm, still think we have a couple of holes.

[SkokieSox]

I'd take a whole lineup of Burrells.

 

Man would it suck if a pitcher had Burrell's number that day...

[Texsox]

Does anyone know how many Bora$ players they already have?

 

I was just thinking, which agent do we love? You know, the guy that gets his player waaaay less than the next guy? The guy that sells his clients as low as possible

 

Boras is amazing. All he has to do is look at a GM and the GM makes bad decisions. We need to send Boras and his amazing talents to the middle east. The only way to protect yourself from Boras is not to look at him, do not talk to him on the telephone, do not open any mail from Bora$$.

[Soxfest]

This thing is gaining traction. Buster Olney comments on the idea of a Joe Crede for Johnny Damon swap this morning:

 

Makes sense in a lot of ways: The Yankees would get the veteran third baseman they need without committing themselves to big dollars, shed Damon's salary, and the White Sox would solve their third base logjam while adding a center fielder for much less than what the free agent center fielders will get (Damon is owed about $26 million over the next two seasons, and presumably, the Yankees would eat some of that to make a deal happen). MLBtraderumors.com

Edited November 4, 2007 by Soxfest

[NorthSideSox72]

This thing is gaining traction. Buster Olney comments on the idea of a Joe Crede for Johnny Damon swap this morning:

 

Makes sense in a lot of ways: The Yankees would get the veteran third baseman they need without committing themselves to big dollars, shed Damon's salary, and the White Sox would solve their third base logjam while adding a center fielder for much less than what the free agent center fielders will get (Damon is owed about $26 million over the next two seasons, and presumably, the Yankees would eat some of that to make a deal happen).

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[daa84]

This thing is gaining traction. Buster Olney comments on the idea of a Joe Crede for Johnny Damon swap this morning:

 

Makes sense in a lot of ways: The Yankees would get the veteran third baseman they need without committing themselves to big dollars, shed Damon's salary, and the White Sox would solve their third base logjam while adding a center fielder for much less than what the free agent center fielders will get (Damon is owed about $26 million over the next two seasons, and presumably, the Yankees would eat some of that to make a deal happen).

if the yankees would pick up a portion of damons contract i wouldnt at all be surpised to see us go after damon for left and still pursue on the of the FA CFs...that shores up a whole lot in terms of LF, CF, leadoff, 6ish hole hitter....a team like this wouldnt be half bad

 

damon

fields

thome

konerko

dye

hunter

AJ

SS ?

Richar

 

im just not sure wed have the flexability financially to do it...it would depend alot on how much $$ we could get from the yankees...but if we can get lets say 5 mil per year....subtract the 5 from uribe (wed have to find someone young and cheap to play SS) then i could see it happening....or a garland for bill hall swap could seem very reasonable...sox would save not only on uribes contract but garlands while filling SS

Edited November 4, 2007 by daa84

[elrockinMT]

What's the consensus on trading Crede, are people for it or against it?

 

I don't know if I like it, he's been with the team for a while now, so personally I'd hate to see him go, but if this trade helps out this team, then I'd be more apt to agree on the trade. If these are Crede's last days here, then I have to say I appreciate everything he's done for this team, his clutch hitting at the end, his great defense, and his power numbers.

 

 

It could be that Joe Crede signs an extension and Fields is in LF. That would make more sense to me for a championship run. We have developed some good players here and it's stability and expereince that win championships and not penny pinching. You trade Crede and put Fields at 3B and you lose a gold glove defensively while maybe being close hitting wise, but I think Joe is better, but Josh has a good future. Put Josh in LF and work to develop adequate defense and you have a very good bat out there. You are ahead that way. We don't have anyone ready to step in that LF position and not much in the way of free agents.

[elrockinMT]

The last thing we need is to get an old OF'r on the way down.

I'd rather watch someone with a real future grow than the inevitable decline of a veteran.

 

 

I think this is the exact point folks should keep in mind. Damon is speedy in the OF, but has a weak throwing arm and is in decline. You don't trade an upcoiming gold glove star for someone just because they were with the Red Sox and Yankees. When is the last time the Yankees won with all that money they have spent on stars like Damon and A-Rod et al? It is a bit tiring also how anytime the Yankees are mentioned in a trade we seem to be giving up the farm to them in any propsoed trade. Damon isn't the answer and not worth Joe Crede. Now maybe trading Brian Anderson or some other youngster we have decided can't help us for a Damon might be a good trade

Edited November 4, 2007 by elrockinMT

[southsideirish71]

It could be that Joe Crede signs an extension and Fields is in LF. That would make more sense to me for a championship run. We have developed some good players here and it's stability and expereince that win championships and not penny pinching. You trade Crede and put Fields at 3B and you lose a gold glove defensively while maybe being close hitting wise, but I think Joe is better, but Josh has a good future. Put Josh in LF and work to develop adequate defense and you have a very good bat out there. You are ahead that way. We don't have anyone ready to step in that LF position and not much in the way of free agents.

 

What makes you think that Joe Crede will sign an extension. Remember his agent is Bora$$. He lurks quietly during the pre-arbitration years, then goes year to year on contracts waiting till he can become a free agent. Do you really think one year away, that Bora$$ is going to take anything but top dollar for his player.

 

[Kalapse]

How often do you see someone label a 30 year old player as "up and coming"? I don't think I've ever seen that before.

[SoxPride56]

if the yankees would pick up a portion of damons contract i wouldnt at all be surpised to see us go after damon for left and still pursue on the of the FA CFs...that shores up a whole lot in terms of LF, CF, leadoff, 6ish hole hitter....a team like this wouldnt be half bad

 

damon

fields

thome

konerko

dye

hunter

AJ

SS ?

Richar

 

im just not sure wed have the flexability financially to do it...it would depend alot on how much $$ we could get from the yankees...but if we can get lets say 5 mil per year....subtract the 5 from uribe (wed have to find someone young and cheap to play SS) then i could see it happening....or a garland for bill hall swap could seem very reasonable...sox would save not only on uribes contract but garlands while filling SS

 

why not a trade for Furcal... I know there have been people here talking about Furcal. That would leave you with a lineup of:

 

Damon

Furcal

Thome

Konerko

Dye

AJ

Hunter/ Rowand

Fields

Richar

 

[elrockinMT]

What makes you think that Joe Crede will sign an extension. Remember his agent is Bora$$. He lurks quietly during the pre-arbitration years, then goes year to year on contracts waiting till he can become a free agent. Do you really think one year away, that Bora$$ is going to take anything but top dollar for his player.

 

Joe Crede's own comments that he would like to stay with the Sox and he not Boras makes the final decision

[elrockinMT]

How often do you see someone label a 30 year old player as "up and coming"? I don't think I've ever seen that before.

 

The point I was making is that Crede still is on the upswing and Damon is on the down hill side of baseball life

[santo=dorf]

The point I was making is that Crede still is on the upswing and Damon is on the down hill side of baseball life

proof. please.

[elrockinMT]

proof. please.

 

Defensively and offensively Joe has improved. Damon has not. Agewise also is an issue you need to consider. You hear these ssame commenst on different sites and in different stories. Joe Crede turned in an absolutely great 2005 and the champioshp games. Did the Yankees win with Damon? Did the Yankees win with A-Rod? I think there is a team chemistry we forget also.

 

I think what we may have mssied when we consider trades is the fact the Sox have a surplus on starters. If someone wants a starting picthger they may have to go trades and not FA. I still think Contreras might go with his $10M salary. That frees up money for a run at a CF candidate and may fill another hole with the trade.

[bmags]

the red sox won with damon

[santo=dorf]

Defensively and offensively Joe has improved. Damon has not. Agewise also is an issue you need to consider. You hear these ssame commenst on different sites and in different stories. Joe Crede turned in an absolutely great 2005 and the champioshp games. Did the Yankees win with Damon? Did the Yankees win with A-Rod? I think there is a team chemistry we forget also.

How'd the Red Sox do with Damon in 2004? I recall him having a huge grand slam off of Javy Vazquez in game 7 of the ALCS.

 

Joe's skill is relying on his back condition. We don't know what that is right now, and it's not worth the risk to sign him long term. He just isn't that good as you and greg775 make him out to be.

[bmags]

I don't know about damon though. It did seem like he fell off hard this year. But his fallen off bat is still pretty consistent comparitively.

[Dick Allen]

I don't know about damon though. It did seem like he fell off hard this year. But his fallen off bat is still pretty consistent comparitively.

Didn't Damon have some sort of foot problem at the beginning of the year? He was pretty good in 2006.

[bmags]

injuries suffered don't exactly make me feel warmer.

[Dick Allen]

I don't know about damon though. It did seem like he fell off hard this year. But his fallen off bat is still pretty consistent comparitively.

 

As bad as Damon supposedly was in 2007, his OBP was exactly the same as Pods' OBP in 2005.

 

[Kalapse]

Joe Crede's own comments that he would like to stay with the Sox and he not Boras makes the final decision

Then why wouldn't he just fire Boras and go with another agent? Joe wants as much money and years as possible, that's why he hired Boras. You don't hire Scott Boras and then take less money, it doesn't work that way.