Texsox Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Shula usually is pretty level headed. I think the Pats getting caught actually makes their accomplishment even greater, how could it diminish it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 11, 2007 -> 03:34 PM) K...that's your only argument. Sweet. Thats the only argument needed Last time I checked 0 losses is better than 1 loss.. K. Sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Except one went undefeated and the other one didnt 18 wins > 17 wins. I won't even get into the argument of schedule strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I think remaining unbeaten is a bigger feat than the 18 > 17 argument. The argument is all about loses, not wins. Now lesser teams can accomplish more, there are over achievers. Comparing those two and I'd take the Bears, but I'm bias and was obviously older when the Bears made their run. With both the Dolphins and the Bears their team the next year were arguably better than the team that won the Super Bowl. Plus, many football fans begin thinking when a team hit 10-0 or better, maybe this team can go upbeaten like the Dolphins, not many are thinking, I wonder if they can win 18 like the Bears. So give the Dolphins their due. It was a big accomplishment at the time and I would cut those guys some slack. Imagine Shula, all he did in his career and 30 years later, the only thing anyone wants to talk about is that one team. He has probably answered that question a thousand times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 QUOTE(Shadows @ Nov 11, 2007 -> 03:43 PM) Thats the only argument needed Last time I checked 0 losses is better than 1 loss.. K. Sweet. The Bears won 18 games against much stronger competition than the Dolphins who only won 17 games. Ever the Miami homer, eh Tru? 0-9 and counting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Nov 12, 2007 -> 02:54 PM) The Bears won 18 games against much stronger competition than the Dolphins who only won 17 games. Ever the Miami homer, eh Tru? 0-9 and counting... awww.. don't be upset the Bears season was ruined by Dolphins And I don't think it takes a "homer" to realize that an undefeated season, the only ever, is better than a 1 loss season.. I dont really care if you think the Bears team was better.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 QUOTE(Shadows @ Nov 12, 2007 -> 03:03 PM) awww.. don't be upset the Bears season was ruined by Dolphins And I don't think it takes a "homer" to realize that an undefeated season, the only ever, is better than a 1 loss season.. I dont really care if you think the Bears team was better.. But you said the Dolphins team was better. Believe it or not, I'm not too shaken up over the Dolphins defeat of the Bears in 1985 when I was 2 years old. I know you are still loving it, weren't you a fetus at that point... a little fetus with a dolphins cap on? I don't know. How old are you? 23. OK, you were a baby with a Dolphin cap on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 Tru (Shadows) enjoys the Dolphins defeat of the Chicago Bears in 1985. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Nov 12, 2007 -> 03:59 PM) But you said the Dolphins team was better. Believe it or not, I'm not too shaken up over the Dolphins defeat of the Bears in 1985 when I was 2 years old. I know you are still loving it, weren't you a fetus at that point... a little fetus with a dolphins cap on? I don't know. How old are you? 23. OK, you were a baby with a Dolphin cap on. I do think the Dolphins team was better, they went undefeated.. no one else has.. They don't have control over the scheduling or the season length, thats just how it goes. Other teams have had easy schedules with shots at it, and no one else has been able to do it.. Thats fine if you think the 85 Bears were better, I wish Miami hadn't lost to NE so they could have played in the Super Bowl and beaten them yet again.. but thats not how it went down.. BUT, people debate this all the time.. I am obviously not gonna be swayed on my stance and neither are you.. so who cares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Nov 12, 2007 -> 04:01 PM) Tru (Shadows) enjoys the Dolphins defeat of the Chicago Bears in 1985. Haha, I told you I was in Bears gear when I was a baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Better team: 85 Bears Better season: 85 Bears Better remembered: 72 Dolphins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I do think the Dolphins team was better, they went undefeated.. no one else has.. They don't have control over the scheduling or the season length, thats just how it goes. Other teams have had easy schedules with shots at it, and no one else has been able to do it.. Thats fine if you think the 85 Bears were better, I wish Miami hadn't lost to NE so they could have played in the Super Bowl and beaten them yet again.. but thats not how it went down.. BUT, people debate this all the time.. I am obviously not gonna be swayed on my stance and neither are you.. so who cares So how come the 1985 Bears are always rated higher than the 1972 Dolphins in Madden? /end thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 12, 2007 -> 05:51 PM) Better team: 85 Bears Better season: 85 Bears Better remembered: 72 Dolphins Better team: 85 Bears (86 Bears Defense was better btw) Better season: 72 Dolphins Better remembered: 72 Dolphins Better Overall History: Cowboys I would also factor in the pressure each of staying undefeated. Every team down the stretch wanted to be "the team" there was the media circus, etc. I think the Bears may have benefited from not having to deal with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 What are the odds of the 0-14 Dolphins beating the 14-0 Pats on 12/23? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 12, 2007 -> 05:51 PM) Better team: 85 Bears Better season: 85 Bears Better remembered: 72 Dolphins What do you mean by better remembered? Everybody remembers the 85 Bears for the Shuffle and dominance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 08:54 PM) What do you mean by better remembered? Everybody remembers the 85 Bears for the Shuffle and dominance. The 72 team is still being interviewed each year. It's an answer to the trivia question. Nationally, more people will remember the '72 team then the 85 Bears. It could also be an age thing. You youngin's that get your history off the internet, versus living it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 10:49 PM) The 72 team is still being interviewed each year. It's an answer to the trivia question. Nationally, more people will remember the '72 team then the 85 Bears. It could also be an age thing. You youngin's that get your history off the internet, versus living it. I get my history from books and interviews, as a College journalist and ever-inquisitive person. And yes, the 72 teams are being interviewed each year but the 85 Bears still have their song played at times, are invited to speak, Mike Ditka is a host of football shows, etc. etc. so it's not like the 85 Bears are under-represented. They most definitely aren't. I don't know who's "better remembered" but I do know that the Bears are "remembered" same as those Dolphins. I know Walter Payton's image still graces hospitals and currently CTA trains with a message saying that he's still "making big gains" (with liver research at Rush hospital). Your points are well-taken but I'd like to clarify mine: Bears still remembered and revered, at the least the same as the Dolphins are honored but IMO much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 12, 2007 -> 05:51 PM) Better remembered: 72 Dolphins I don't know about that. The 85 Bears roster, playoff run, and superbowl seem to be more legendary and better remembered than the 72 Dolphins. But I'm biased. Edited November 27, 2007 by mr_genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 QUOTE(mr_genius @ Nov 26, 2007 -> 09:39 PM) I don't know about that. The 85 Bears roster, playoff run, and superbowl seem to be more legendary and better remembered than the 72 Dolphins. But I'm biased. Seemingly every year, the 72 Dolphins are brought up, especially when the last undefeated team loses. I'd say that's better remembered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 The bottom line is the Bears were the better team. I don't even think the Dolphins are the second best team. I would rank the 84 and 89 Niners ahead of them, and you could make a case for the 86 Giants as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Nov 26, 2007 -> 10:28 PM) The bottom line is the Bears were the better team. I don't even think the Dolphins are the second best team. I would rank the 84 and 89 Niners ahead of them, and you could make a case for the 86 Giants as well. If you can throw out one missed field goal, the 98 Vikings were pretty amazing too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) I don't know about that. The 85 Bears roster, playoff run, and superbowl seem to be more legendary and better remembered than the 72 Dolphins. But I'm biased. I you grabbed 100 random NFL fans from all over the country and asked them to name as many players from the 1985 Bears team and the 1972 Dolphins, who would be considered to be "more remembered?" I won't buy the additional 13 years as an excuse either. McMahon, Payton, Fridge, Ditka, Singletary, Butler. so many personalities on that team. Seemingly every year, the 72 Dolphins are brought up, especially when the last undefeated team loses. I'd say that's better remembered. ...and every year a good defensive team is in the NFL, the comparison to the 1985 Bears is made. If the Pats go 19-0 this year, the 1972 Dolphins team will not be mentioned again. The Bears team will continue to get mention because they were more than just a loss total. Edited November 27, 2007 by santo=dorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Shadows @ Nov 12, 2007 -> 04:03 PM) awww.. don't be upset the Bears season was ruined by Dolphins And I don't think it takes a "homer" to realize that an undefeated season, the only ever, is better than a 1 loss season.. I dont really care if you think the Bears team was better.. The 1972 Dolphins team was not even the best Miami Dolphin team of all time. In fact, the 'great one', Mr. Shula himself is directly quoted following the 1973 Super Bowl saying the 1973 team was BETTER than the 1972 team. In fact, I tend to agree with him, the schedule was much tougher and they dropped two close games that year...but mostly Miami was blowing out people in 1973, whereas in 1972, they just allowed the horrendous competition they played to lose games. And as far as people putting asteriks beside the Pats season this year, I believe the 1972 Dolphins deserve one as well. The team they played for the AFC Title in 1972 was Pittsburgh, who had just beaten Oakland on a most controversial call the week before. So the Dolphins probably should have been playing the 1972 Title game in Oakland and not in Pittsburgh, which in my view (at that time) was the much tougher draw (Pittsburgh was still a couple years away from greatness). Edited November 27, 2007 by kwolf68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I say if the Dolphins go winless this year, that cancels out the undefeated Dolphin team of 1972. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 QUOTE(The Critic @ Nov 27, 2007 -> 01:17 PM) I say if the Dolphins go winless this year, that cancels out the undefeated Dolphin team of 1972. LMMFAO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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