Sox Interested in Cabrera

[sircaffey]

Are we going to compete the next two seasons while Cabrera is under his current contract? Even with Cabrera next season, I don't like where the team stands as of now (improvements could still be made obviously). If we are going to give up 3 players that likely will be fixers at minimum cost in 2010, we better damn well make a handful of more moves or sign Cabrera long-term.

[BearSox]

If we get Cabrera we should sign him to an extension for about 10 years at 200 million.

[BurlyMan56]

haha

 

If you're gonna quote something, please quote what I said plus the explanation along with it.

 

 

Unfortunately we have our everyday SS in Uribe now.

 

Would you give up Fields, Gonzalez and say Egbert for Crawford, and would the Rays do that deal? Crawford's pretty close to an untouchable, due to his contract and various skills etc.

 

Would the Sox be better served trying to acquire Rocco Baldelli on the cheap instead?

 

I would take Crawford over Cabrera any day. Give up the farm.

 

 

You would rather have a hitter that hit under 250 and has a propensity to strike out, over one of the leagues best hitters who happens to be 24. That makes sense.

 

I like Josh as much as the next person, so let me be very blunt.

 

Cabrera >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Fields

 

I appreciate your sarcasm. Like I said, Cabrera is an absolute stud but if we do get him and do nothing else, we'll be still have the slow power guys in the middle of the lineup that can't get anything done if there's no one on base in front of them. Get a leadoff man, ie. Crawford, Figgins and then worry about getting a guy like Cabrera. If we give up the farm for the leadoff guy, so be it. The comparisons to Carlos Lee are similar and we did nothing with Carlos. If you want Cabrera than have fun with Jerry Owens as your leadoff man.

 

Are we going to compete the next two seasons while Cabrera is under his current contract? Even with Cabrera next season, I don't like where the team stands as of now (improvements could still be made obviously). If we are going to give up 3 players that likely will be fixers at minimum cost in 2010, we better damn well make a handful of more moves or sign Cabrera long-term.

 

A good point. You can give the farm up for Cabrera and be happy but if we finish third the next two years, he will see the $$$ and will be in pinstripes. Even if he does come here, Thome/Konerko all older, JD might be injury prone at that point, Crede will be gone, Fields will be gone in the trade that sent him here, there would be no stability for him to want to stay here.

 

[southsideirish71]

If you're gonna quote something, please quote what I said plus the explanation along with it.

I would take Crawford over Cabrera any day. Give up the farm.

I appreciate your sarcasm. Like I said, Cabrera is an absolute stud but if we do get him and do nothing else, we'll be still have the slow power guys in the middle of the lineup that can't get anything done if there's no one on base in front of them. Get a leadoff man, ie. Crawford, Figgins and then worry about getting a guy like Cabrera. If we give up the farm for the leadoff guy, so be it. The comparisons to Carlos Lee are similar and we did nothing with Carlos. If you want Cabrera than have fun with Jerry Owens as your leadoff man.

A good point. You can give the farm up for Cabrera and be happy but if we finish third the next two years, he will see the $$$ and will be in pinstripes. Even if he does come here, Thome/Konerko all older, JD might be injury prone at that point, Crede will be gone, Fields will be gone in the trade that sent him here, there would be no stability for him to want to stay here.

 

You dont need a fast guy to be your leadoff hitter. I would rather have a high OBP guy that takes walks sitting in front of Cabrera and Thome over Crawford in front of Thome. Cabrera is 24 years old, plays in the grand canyon compared to this park. Do you have any idea of how playing in the bandbox on the southside would affect his numbers.

 

The we did nothing with Carlos is malarkey. Take the 2005 pitching, and stick it on one of the Carlos Lee teams and see how far it goes. We win a lot more division titles and have a chance to go deep in the playoffs. The only thing that moving Carlos Lee did, was to give us financial flexibility when our payroll was in the 70 million to 80 million dollar range. It allowed us to pick up quantity.

 

Thome's money, hell Konerko's money would be near to coming off the books near the end of his contract. He would be 26 years old, just entering in the prime years for a power hitter.

 

 

 

[jackie hayes]

If you're gonna quote something, please quote what I said plus the explanation along with it.

I would take Crawford over Cabrera any day. Give up the farm.

I appreciate your sarcasm. Like I said, Cabrera is an absolute stud but if we do get him and do nothing else, we'll be still have the slow power guys in the middle of the lineup that can't get anything done if there's no one on base in front of them. Get a leadoff man, ie. Crawford, Figgins and then worry about getting a guy like Cabrera. If we give up the farm for the leadoff guy, so be it. The comparisons to Carlos Lee are similar and we did nothing with Carlos. If you want Cabrera than have fun with Jerry Owens as your leadoff man.

A good point. You can give the farm up for Cabrera and be happy but if we finish third the next two years, he will see the $$$ and will be in pinstripes. Even if he does come here, Thome/Konerko all older, JD might be injury prone at that point, Crede will be gone, Fields will be gone in the trade that sent him here, there would be no stability for him to want to stay here.

See?, I didn't eliminate anything. And, hahahahahahahaha.....

[sircaffey]

Miguel Cabrera is a better leadoff hitter than Carl Crawford.

[BearSox]

my only question is who would lead off? But then again, we don't need a leadoff hitter with a middle of the order of:

 

3. Cabrera

4. Thome

5. Konerko

6. Dye

[knightni]

my only question is who would lead off? But then again, we don't need a leadoff hitter with a middle of the order of:

 

3. Cabrera

4. Thome

5. Konerko

6. Dye

 

 

Be serious.

 

You need a leadoff guy no matter what.

 

 

[RockRaines]

I would take Crawford over Cabrera any day. Give up the farm.

Have you ever been in that situation where you really really really wanted to take back what you just said.

[Reddy]

Be serious.

 

You need a leadoff guy no matter what.

 

no you really dont. theres a school of thought that suggests its better to put your BEST hitter first because he'll see more at bats over the course of the year and after the first inning it just doesn't matter anymore who led off. with a sick lineup like we'd have, frankly we could go with that school and be perfectly fine.

 

 

 

[max power]

In the bottom of the 9th what would you rather have? 3,4,5 or 1,2,3?

 

I say 3,4,5.

[Reddy]

In the bottom of the 9th what would you rather have? 3,4,5 or 1,2,3?

 

I say 3,4,5.

 

ok but thats really a moot point because thats all dependent on what happens the rest of the game.

[max power]

How so? All you are thinking is which one is most likely to score runs?

[Chombi]

The more I hear what other columnists think or whoever is leaking these "rumors"...the more I laugh.

 

I also get excited. Not for the deal itself because it is such a small chance it occurs but for the prospects being identified in this deal if it were to happen.

 

I expected any deal to start...start...with DLS, Gio, Fields and go from there.

 

Since I have seen different looks and it honestly excites me a little because...

(1) my original trade is apparently more then they are seeking, so if it eventually gets to that, they'd prolly take it.

(2) Guys who I thought had no value hold weight in someones eyes which is good for both this deal or others

(3) We are essentially having a chance at keeping our most promising prospect

 

If right now guys like Owens, Massett, etc. are something they are considering I am thrilled.

 

Owens, Gio, Fields, Massett and throw in something else...Lots of players but only 2 of those guys I truly would miss. One or both are easily replaceable by Cabrera's bat being here. Do this deal if it is only costing us guys like that. I figured DLS, Danks, Jenks, Carter, etc would all have to be mixed in with Gio/Fields if we stood a chance at competeing. Some people said it would only cost us three guys so I assumed Jenks/Danks, Gio, Fields.

 

I am excited and I think we are much more of a contender then the media indicates.

 

Also, getting his bat just makes everything else easier to deal IMO...Paulie, Garland, etc.

[DBAHO]

No thanks;

 

Because of their astronomical asking price, the Marlins likely won't move Miguel Cabrera prior to the winter meetings, SI.com's Jon Heyman reports.

 

They might as well shoot for the moon, as he'll still have a ton of value at the All-Star break. According to Heyman, the Marlins are currently asking for four top youngsters from inquiring teams like the Angels, Yankees, Dodgers and White Sox.

[Melissa1334]

whos DSL?

[heirdog]

whos DSL?

 

DLS... de los Santos

 

1. Fautino de los Santos, RHP

DOB: 2/15/86

Height/Weight: 6-0/205

Bats/Throws: R/R

Acquired: NDFA, 2005, Dominican Republic

2007 Stats: 2.40 ERA at Low-A (97.2-49-36-121); 3.65 ERA at High-A (24.2-20-7-32)

 

[Melissa1334]

DLS... de los Santos

 

1. Fautino de los Santos, RHP

DOB: 2/15/86

Height/Weight: 6-0/205

Bats/Throws: R/R

Acquired: NDFA, 2005, Dominican Republic

2007 Stats: 2.40 ERA at Low-A (97.2-49-36-121); 3.65 ERA at High-A (24.2-20-7-32)

oh thats right i remeber reading that b4, 4got. thanks

[Gregory Pratt]

No thanks;

 

Four top youngsters? What the hell do they call Fields, Gio, Danks and Floyd? Fields, Gio, DLS and Floyd? Picky picky.

[WHITESOXRANDY]

What difference would adding Cabrera make ?

 

The White Sox could add ANY player in baseball to their team right now (without giving up anything) and they still couldn't win the division.

 

Why give up your 4 best youngsters and still have no chance ? They need to start their re-building process now and compete in the meantime by spending some money on FA's that are younger or willing to agree to a 1 or 2 year contract so that this team could be a serious contender in 3 or 4 years as their young players develop.

 

They can't win the AL Central in 2008 or 2009 so it makes no sense to trade the young talent nor does it make sense to sign Hunter to a massive 5 year contract. Atleast Rowand is 2 years younger than Hunter and would cost less per year.

[Soxbadger]

Well I disagree on your assessment that the White Sox cant win this year.

 

Lets just assume that the Sox are willing to add 2 pieces (Hunter/Cabrera)

 

Lets also assume that the Sox are going to get rid of 2 contracts (Garland, Crede)

 

The White Sox Line Up Would look like:

 

1. Owens -LF

2. Richar - 2b

3. Miggy - 3b

4. Thome- DH

5. Konerko- 1b

6. Hunter- CF

7. Dye- RF

8. AJ- C

9. Uribe SS

 

Pitching Rotation: Buerhle, Vaz, Danks, Count, Floyd

 

That is assuming that for Garland you get nothing that can play this year.

 

Its not a clear cut favorite, but at the same time I would believe that this team could win a lot more games than this year.

 

(Note)

 

Added assumption that in any deal for Cabrera you will be losing Fields.

Edited November 12, 2007 by Soxbadger

[SleepyWhiteSox]

whos DSL?

 

[sircaffey]

Well I disagree on your assessment that the White Sox cant win this year.

 

Lets just assume that the Sox are willing to add 2 pieces (Hunter/Cabrera)

 

Lets also assume that the Sox are going to get rid of 2 contracts (Garland, Crede)

 

The White Sox Line Up Would look like:

 

1. Owens -LF

2. Richar - 2b

3. Miggy - 3b

4. Thome- DH

5. Konerko- 1b

6. Hunter- CF

7. Dye- RF

8. AJ- C

9. Uribe SS

 

Pitching Rotation: Buerhle, Vaz, Danks, Count, Floyd

 

That is assuming that for Garland you get nothing that can play this year.

 

Its not a clear cut favorite, but at the same time I would believe that this team could win a lot more games than this year.

 

(Note)

 

Added assumption that in any deal for Cabrera you will be losing Fields.

 

That rotation is at best 4th in the division. That top of the order is the worst in the Majors. And we still have the same bullpen. We improve on two things: CF and OBP. We get worse in one thing: SP. And other holes remain: Bullpen and Leadoff. That team does not compete with Detroit or Cleveland.

[Soxbadger]

Well guys like Gio, DLS are over 2 years away from MLB level and really arent even considered top of the line starters. By that time guys like Thome, Konerko, Dye will all be declining drastically.

 

So the options are:

 

A) Hope that our prospects all turn out to be super stars who play over their head so that in 2 years we can build a super young team, save cash, and then in 3-4 years turn that money into all-star FA's.

 

B) Try and win now with the older players we have. Realize that our prospects for the most part are not high ceiling untouchables and hope that in the next 1-2 years we continue to draft players that will build our farm into some thing respectable.

 

I think B is the better option, because Gio and DLS just do not have #1 cant miss starter on them.

[greg775]

Your lineup isn't bad, but surely we can do better than Richar.

I could take Owens at the top, but not Owens, Richar.