Jon Garland traded for Orlando Cabrera

[witesoxfan]

Me too. Our GM is an idiot.

Wait ... he won the World Series.

 

My god, his trades suck so bad.

I mean Garland is an inning eater and can pitch.

And we get this???

Unfricking believable.

GM's must KNOW that KW is in love with the guy he wants to acquire and they just

abuse him when making the deals.

 

Had Ken Williams traded Jon Garland for Albert Pujols, you would have been upset.

[greg775]

I actually thought we were getting the other Cabrera when I heard the news today.

I swear I did.

But that would have been a GOOD trade on our side.

KW I thank for the WS title, but this trade is yet another that SUCKS.

[SoxFan1]

Had Ken Williams traded Jon Garland for Albert Pujols, you would have been upset.

...and thread/

[Kalapse]

After doing a pretty in depth internet search on Orlando Cabrera I'm having a hard time finding anyone who doesn't like him as a player, especially anyone who watched him in Anaheim. From what I've gathered his stats take a hit because he gives up so many ABs in the 2 hole. He also puts himself in unfavorable counts since he's willing to take pitches for a baserunner. If it's at all possible he seems to be an even better defender than his reputation lets on, he's very smart in the field, 100% focused at all times (the anti-Uribe) and can make all the tough plays. He's well liked in the clubhouse, is good to the media and speaks very good english.

 

I also heard an interview Boers and Bernstein did today with Kevin Baxster, he covers the Angels for the LA times, he like everyone else had absolutely nothing bad to say about Cabrera and described him as an "average to young 33 years old" so he isn't exactly slowing down.

 

I never paid a lot of attention to Orlando Cabrera but after reading the Angels/Red Sox fans' take on him I'm really starting to like this deal even more than before. Cabrera is a real baseball player unlike a lot of the guys we've been forced to watch on the South Side over the years.

[Kalapse]

but this trade is yet another that SUCKS.

Why exactly?

[SoxFan1]

After doing a pretty in depth internet search on Orlando Cabrera I'm having a hard time finding anyone who doesn't like him as a player, especially anyone who watched him in Anaheim. From what I've gathered his stats take a hit because he gives up so many ABs in the 2 hole. He also puts himself in unfavorable counts since he's willing to take pitches for a baserunner. If it's at all possible he seems to be an even better defender than his reputation lets on, he's very smart in the field, 100% focused at all times (the anti-Uribe) and can make all the tough plays. He's well liked in the clubhouse, is good to the media and speaks very good english.

 

I also heard an interview Boers and Bernstein did today with Kevin Baxster, he covers the Angels for the LA times, he like everyone else had absolutely nothing bad to say about Cabrera and described him as an "average to young 33 years old" so he isn't exactly slowing down.

 

I never paid a lot of attention to Orlando Cabrera but after reading the Angels/Red Sox fans' take on him I'm really starting to like this deal even more than before. Cabrera is a real baseball player unlike a lot of the guys we've been forced to watch on the South Side over the years.

Your research and rationale are not welcome here. We only accept knee-jerk and anti-GM posts. Sorry.

[Marky Mark]

Me too. Our GM is an idiot.

Wait ... he won the World Series.

 

My god, his trades suck so bad.

I mean Garland is an inning eater and can pitch.

And we get this???

Unfricking believable.

GM's must KNOW that KW is in love with the guy he wants to acquire and they just

abuse him when making the deals.

 

 

You really should hear what people outside of Sox fans think about Garland, a strong majority feel that we got the better end of this trade. Garland did get 36 wins in 2 years but he definitely did not do it on his own. The offense gave him a ton of those wins when they should have been losses. If you wanted Garland for Furcal you pretty much just got it, just a few less walks, but you have a good SS with experience in the AL unlike Furcal who's accustomed to weakling NL pitchers.

[caulfield12]

Garland is entering the final year of a three-year, $29-million deal that will pay him $12 million in 2008. A Southern California native who attended Kennedy High in Granada Hills, Garland, who helped Chicago win the 2005 World Series, said he would be "very interested" in signing an extension with the Angels.

 

"We think he's going to make us better," Reagins said of Garland. "In fact, I know we got better today."

 

The 6-foot-6, 210-pound sinkerball specialist, who also mixes a changeup with his fastball, has a 92-81 record and 4.41 ERA in six-plus seasons. He has reached 10 wins, 30 starts and 200 innings in each of the last four seasons.

 

"I don't feel I've changed at all" since the consecutive 18-win seasons, said Garland, who was nearly traded to the Angels for Darin Erstad in December 2001. "I feel I've been getting better. . . . This is a great opportunity to come home and show the West Coast what my capabilities are. I'd love to bring another championship back here."

 

Though Garland suffered his first losing record since 2003, he still gave an underperforming White Sox team 21 quality starts (six innings or more, three earned runs or fewer), and the Angels believe he will thrive in Angel Stadium, which is more of a pitchers' park than U.S. Cellular Field.

 

"He's proved he's going to take the ball, get 30-plus starts, pitch deep into games, and that constant is very important for us as we move forward," Scioscia said. "He threw the ball well last year."

 

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[The Ginger Kid]

Cabrera is a real baseball player unlike a lot of the guys we've been forced to watch on the South Side over the years.

He makes some dazzling plays going to his right. Always fun to watch.

 

I like the fact that he gets the bunt down, a sight sorely missing last season. I just hate giving up pitching....

[rockren]

And part of pitching is defense, especially if your staff isnt striking guys out at a good rate.

 

Something I just thought of, and it's probably not a huge point but it holds some relevance, and that's that Vazquez had his best years in Montreal with Orlando Cabrera as his shortstop. Whether that's mere coincidence or not, I don't know, but it is true.

 

If we do end up inking Hunter, that'll give give two new gold glove additions in important areas (CF ans SS).

 

I can't think of a better way to bring up young pitching than to put a great defense behind it.

 

It looks as if KW is taking the route of letting Danks, Floyd, Gio, Broadway and Egbert fight it out for the last two rotation spots going into next year. I know some people may be down about that, but not me. A youth movement at the end of the rotation may be a great thing for us going forward and would be worth the gamble.

 

Give me the promise of the future over the glory of the past time any day.

[max power]

The 6-foot-6, 210-pound sinkerball specialist, who also mixes a changeup with his fastball, has a 92-81 record and 4.41 ERA in six-plus seasons. He has reached 10 wins, 30 starts and 200 innings in each of the last four seasons.

Wow. 10 wins? Thats amazing! Tell me more!

[witesoxfan]

I also have to imagine the Sox are going to pursue some type of insurance for the rotation this offseason; if I were a betting man, dare I say Freddy Garcia on about a 2-year, $12-16 mill deal?

[JohnCangelosi]

I also have to imagine the Sox are going to pursue some type of insurance for the rotation this offseason; if I were a betting man, dare I say Freddy Garcia on about a 2-year, $12-16 mill deal?

I don't see that happening it appears as if KW is OK with our current starters based on his comments in the trade interview the other day, saying "we'll support the younger starters with a great offense and by getting some bullpen help". Maybe he is being sly but I doubt it. After settling the CF position it seems as if the focus will be the bullpen and perhaps tidying up some backup spots and PERHAPS going out and getting a leadoff hitter, but who will we find that we can afford after paying Hunter 15M per that is worth anything? I am not sure why but something tells me we're going to go with Jerry Owens leading off in 2008, probably because we can't afford another option. Or we can resign Pods.

 

LF Jerry Owens

SS Orlando Cabrera

DH Jim Thome

1B Paul Konerko

RF Jermaine Dye

CF Torii Hunter

3B Josh Fields

C AJ Pierzynski

2B Danny Richar

 

Not a bad lineup if Owens can perform and the older guys stay healthy (big question mark) but it's still a pretty old lineup, 2008 or bust.

 

[Steve9347]

The more I let this one sink in the more I like it. League perception is that Jon is a mediocre pitcher, statistics aside from 2005 suggest that is correct, and we just got a gold glove short stop who's OBP will be .100 higher than Uribe's, and he can steal some bags.

 

Sure, I'd prefer he were 30-31 years old, but beggers can't be choosers.

 

Now, as for the question about who is our #2, that'd obviously be Javy Vazquez who was three times the pitcher that Garland was last year and is set up to have his best season since he left the Expos. My concern is about which Contreras will show up, and I'm not certain that two of Danks, Floyd, Gonzalez, Egbert can be depended on for 30+ starts.

 

We'll see though. With the reported "done deal" of Torii Hunter, this team just got two Gold Glovers up the middle, which will add quite a few wins to our total.

[jackie hayes]

After doing a pretty in depth internet search on Orlando Cabrera I'm having a hard time finding anyone who doesn't like him as a player, especially anyone who watched him in Anaheim. From what I've gathered his stats take a hit because he gives up so many ABs in the 2 hole. He also puts himself in unfavorable counts since he's willing to take pitches for a baserunner. If it's at all possible he seems to be an even better defender than his reputation lets on, he's very smart in the field, 100% focused at all times (the anti-Uribe) and can make all the tough plays. He's well liked in the clubhouse, is good to the media and speaks very good english.

 

I also heard an interview Boers and Bernstein did today with Kevin Baxster, he covers the Angels for the LA times, he like everyone else had absolutely nothing bad to say about Cabrera and described him as an "average to young 33 years old" so he isn't exactly slowing down.

 

I never paid a lot of attention to Orlando Cabrera but after reading the Angels/Red Sox fans' take on him I'm really starting to like this deal even more than before. Cabrera is a real baseball player unlike a lot of the guys we've been forced to watch on the South Side over the years.

Well, those things aren't true. He's hit better in the 2nd spot than anywhere else in the lineup, and if he's taking pitches for baserunners then Anaheim must never have any baserunners.

 

If this is meant as sarcasm, my apologies.

[Kalapse]

I don't know, that's one thing that I read on both a Red Sox and Angels board, maybe he's an even better hitter than his 2007 line (.324/.369/.425/.794) from the 2 hole in lets on or maybe they're all just full of s***.

 

On a semi-related note; how sad is it that Cabrera got 134 ABs in the 3 hole for the Angles last year? What a pathetic offense.

[Balta1701]

I don't know, that's one thing that I read on both a Red Sox and Angels board, maybe he's an even better hitter than his 2007 line (.324/.369/.425/.794) from the 2 hole in lets on or maybe they're all just full of s***.

 

On a semi-related note; how sad is it that Cabrera got 134 ABs in the 3 hole for the Angles last year? What a pathetic offense.

Btw, am I the only one who remembers that near record tying streak Cabrera got into at the beginning of 06...where he got on base at least once in 63 consecutive games? Longest since 1960 or something like that?

 

I like those sorts of things.

[Colorado Sox Fan]

Take a look at Jon's 32 starts in 2007. Who is going to give us 7 solid innings for 32 games? I thought he had a very weak year last year until I looked at his game by game stats. I am anxiously awaiting how KW will replace those 32 starts. I do like Carbrera's stats, though. With people like Danks, Floyd and Broadway in the rotation, he better be building up that 'pen.

[greg775]

Btw, am I the only one who remembers that near record tying streak Cabrera got into at the beginning of 06...where he got on base at least once in 63 consecutive games? Longest since 1960 or something like that?

 

I like those sorts of things.

 

So does everybody.

The issue as always is, go ahead and get Cabrera if you like him, but don't give up

Garland for god sakes. If the Angels wanted pitching, make them take Floyd or MacDougal

or Thornton or Charlie. Entice them with somebody who is not an effective inning eater.

Garland is a No. 2, 3 pitcher available in a season where not much pitching is available.

Bad bad trade.

Edited November 20, 2007 by greg775

[southsider2k5]

Its seems the "big fish" comment from Kenny, was acutally right after being asked about Miguel Cabrera, if you read the context of the interview the way that the USA today has it written up. They ask him if they realize that they might have helped the Angels get Cabrera, then Kenny talks about landing the big fish. Really interesting to say the least. Could the Hunter stuff be a smoke screen to swoop in and get MCab?

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...era-dealt_N.htm

 

The Chicago White Sox, hoping to prove last year's 90-loss season was an aberration, acquired Gold Glove shortstop Orlando Cabrera from the Los Angeles Angels on Monday for veteran right-hander Jon Garland.

While the White Sox are having trade talks with the Florida Marlins for third baseman Miguel Cabrera, the Monday deal may have actually helped the Angels' chances of obtaining the young power hitter.

 

"We're aware of that," White Sox general manager Kenny Williams said.

 

The Angels have six starters with Garland, a two-time 18-game winner who was 10-13 with a 4.23 ERA last season. Angels GM Tony Reagins said pitching depth may allow them to trade for an impact hitter.

 

"It's a move that makes us better," Reagins said. "This puts us in the right direction and opens up opportunities to do things down the line if that opens up."

 

The Marlins are seeking a package of veterans and prospects for Miguel Cabrera, who is eligible for arbitration and stands to make $12 million.

 

"We're not done yet, either," Williams said. "We're still trying to land a big fish."

 

Garland will make $12 million in 2008 and is then eligible for free agency. Orlando Cabrera, in the final year of a four-year, $32 million deal, will get $9 million. The White Sox will also receive cash.

 

Williams tried earlier to acquire shortstop Edgar Renteria from the Atlanta Braves before he was traded to the Detroit Tigers. The White Sox also remain in the hunt for free agent center fielder Torii Hunter.

 

"Last year (72-90) did not sit well with any of us," Williams said. "I'll be damned if we're going to go through that again. We will aggressively pursue a championship.

 

"If we get one more offensive piece to our club, look out."

 

The Angels plan to replace Cabrera, who hit .301 with eight homers, 86 RBI and 101 runs, with Erick Aybar or Maicer Izturis, Angels manager Mike Scioscia said.

 

"We gave up a guy who has had three terrific seasons for us," Scioscia said, "but pitching is as much of a premium as it's been at any time in baseball. (Reagins) is not done yet. We have lots of options now. Let's see where we are Feb. 1."

[greg775]

The thing is he has to trade for Cabrera.

So the "big fish" still might rob us of a lot of our players.

Isn't there room for both Hunter and Cabrera?

It seems doing the video for Hunter and offering him a contract isn't a smokescreen.

They want him via trade it's apparent.

And they want Hunter.

[SkokieSox]

So does everybody.

The issue as always is, go ahead and get Cabrera if you like him, but don't give up

Garland for god sakes. If the Angels wanted pitching, make them take Floyd or MacDougal

or Thornton or Charlie. Entice them with somebody who is not an effective inning eater.

Garland is a No. 2, 3 pitcher available in a season where not much pitching is available.

Bad bad trade.

 

How would that have been remotely possible? You can't piss in the air and convince them its raining...

[witesoxfan]

How would that have been remotely possible? You can't piss in the air and convince them its raining...

 

Sure you can; you just have to drug them first

[G&T]

Its seems the "big fish" comment from Kenny, was acutally right after being asked about Miguel Cabrera, if you read the context of the interview the way that the USA today has it written up. They ask him if they realize that they might have helped the Angels get Cabrera, then Kenny talks about landing the big fish. Really interesting to say the least. Could the Hunter stuff be a smoke screen to swoop in and get MCab?

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...era-dealt_N.htm

 

 

The KW conference call says otherwise (4 mins in). It was actually in relation to how Cabrera was going to be used in the lineup. He said Cabrera would bat second but they were still after "some big fish" so he might lead off against some pitchers. I don't know what that means, but that's what he said.

[Heads22]

Sure you can; you just have to drug them first

 

After, of course, we send them Brian Anderson for Scot Shields.