Jon Garland traded for Orlando Cabrera

[Heads22]

Bourgeois won't be with the team, otherwise they would have put him on the 40.

[NorthSideSox72]

Bourgeois won't be with the team, otherwise they would have put him on the 40.

We were discussing that in the other thread - I don't think they have to yet. I think they are deciding, and honestly, I think it depends partially on what happens with Uribe.

 

[RockRaines]

We were discussing that in the other thread - I don't think they have to yet. I think they are deciding, and honestly, I think it depends partially on what happens with Uribe.

Uribe can play 3B, SS and 2B and hit with power. He is a somewhat ideal, though very expensive utility option.

[CWSGuy406]

So -- if Kenny and the Sox choose to make it so, the deal will eventually be...

 

Garland = Cash + one year of Cabrera + two draft picks.

 

Is this where I get painted to be the white-and-black sunglasses wearing, 'everythings turning up roses!' optimist? Whatever. I didn't go apes*** last year for the Freddy G deal when most everyone else was, so...

Edited November 19, 2007 by CWSGuy406

[jackie hayes]

for all that do not like this deal:

 

Name a pitcher the white sox have been wrong about the last 20 years (ala traded away or didnt resign and amounted to something)? Besides Navaro, this team has not been burned.

Few people are saying that Jon's going to tear up the AL for the next 10 years. (Although, Kip Wells and Josh Fogg were each better than the garbage we trotted out for our fifth starter for the next couple years, not to mention the garbage we traded them for. Jury's still out on the BMac/Danks challenge trade.) The point is that there's no Gio coming back in this deal.

[NorthSideSox72]

So -- if Kenny and the Sox choose to make it so, the deal will eventually be...

 

Garland = Cash + one year of Cabrera + two draft picks.

 

Is this where I get painted to be the white-and-black sunglasses wearing, 'everythings turning up roses!' optimist? Whatever. I didn't go apes*** last year for the Freddy G deal.

Suddenly looks like a pretty well-balanced equation. But I think we're all hoping that the cash plus the salary savings will be used towards something of an upgrade elsewhere. If it is, the deal becomes:

 

Garland = Cash + one year of Cabrera + two draft picks + part of salary towards an upgrade in CF/LF/2B/RP

 

[fathom]

Few people are saying that Jon's going to tear up the AL for the next 10 years. (Although, Kip Wells and Josh Fogg were each better than the garbage we trotted out for our fifth starter for the next couple years, not to mention the garbage we traded them for. Jury's still out on the BMac/Danks challenge trade.) The point is that there's no Gio coming back in this deal.

 

Gio isn't exactly a sure-fire pro. At least Cabrera is someone we can put on the field and know he can produce offensively and defensively.

[Kalapse]

Those two picks, if received, would both be in the Top 100, correct?

Yes and one could potentially be between #15 and #30.

[Marky Mark]

This is a decent deal.

 

Uribe will go to the Cardinals.

[hitlesswonder]

Could you share with us his plan? Because I sure don't know what it is.

 

Obviously, I could be completely wrong, but....the apparent plan is to try to make the playoffs in 2008 with basically the same team as 2007 but a new veteran SS and CF. With the downgrade in the rotation, I don't see Hunter/Rowand and OCab pushing the Sox over the top. And it looks right now like Owens and Cabrera will be hitting 1 & 2 which is not exactly loading up the top of the order with OBP.

 

I hope it works, the Sox make the playoffs and usher another several years of $100M payrolls. But given the age and porr performance of the team last year I just don't think it's likely. I'd be happier if Garland had been flipped for Aybar (who I don't even think is that good) or someone young from LAA.

 

[jackie hayes]

Uribe can play 3B, SS and 2B and hit with power. He is a somewhat ideal, though very expensive utility option.

He's horrible as a utility option. He's had an awful bat for years. He's a good defender (used to be great, but has slowed down), but you don't need a late-inning defensive replacement at ss when you trade for a good defensive ss. So we have a defensive replacement 3b and 2b who will an awful ph. For $4.5 mil. Terrible.

[jackie hayes]

So -- if Kenny and the Sox choose to make it so, the deal will eventually be...

 

Garland = Cash + one year of Cabrera + two draft picks.

 

Is this where I get painted to be the white-and-black sunglasses wearing, 'everythings turning up roses!' optimist? Whatever. I didn't go apes*** last year for the Freddy G deal when most everyone else was, so...

One draft pick on net. Garland should be at least a B.

[Kalapse]

We were discussing that in the other thread - I don't think they have to yet. I think they are deciding, and honestly, I think it depends partially on what happens with Uribe.

If they were intent on keeping Jason B. then they would have just added him to the 40 when they added Egbert. There's like 5 guys who could be kicked off right now to make room for him but they've waited this long, to the point where I'm not even sure he's under the club's control anymore.

[Texsox]

Uribe can play 3B, SS and 2B and hit with power. He is a somewhat ideal, though very expensive utility option.

 

Expensive is relative to the rest of the payroll. But you are right.

[daa84]

Next Up:

Sign Andruw Jones

Trade for Crisp

Trade Crede

Sign/Trade for Reliever

 

LF Crisp

SS Cabrera

DH Thome

1B Kornerko

CF Jones

RF Dye

CA Pierzynski

3B Fields

2B Richar

 

That could be a 250hr team.

 

 

thats an unreal defensive team too....especially if you keep uribe around and plug him in at 3b.....i think this move means more that crede is gone than uribe....if we play fields at 3b everyday, crede is useless and uribe provides a good defender who can come in late for josh

[whitesoxgt]

If KW wasn't even tryin on gettin anything better in return i would have just traded Contreras Instead

 

Im kinda confused cuz i dont know what to think Im Glad he gonna take over SS but i think it made our team weaker pitching wise

[hitlesswonder]

Those two picks, if received, would both be in the Top 100, correct?

Isn't Cabrera likely to be a Type B free agent?

[Kalapse]

Isn't Cabrera likely to be a Type B free agent?

No, he WILL be a type A if he's even close to as productive next year as he was in '06.

[jackie hayes]

Gio isn't exactly a sure-fire pro. At least Cabrera is someone we can put on the field and know he can produce offensively and defensively.

For one year, when we just resigned someone whose only asset is his ability to play the same position. And although I think it's likely, I don't "know" we'll get the 2006-2007 Cabrera, rather than the 2004-2005 Cabrera. I'll take another Gio and more money saved.

[Milkman delivers]

I like having Cabrera, but I think we should have gotten more for Garland. I think that is how most people feel, too.

 

I also just can't see how we can compete this year, as there is much that needs to be done. I guess we'll see.

[Vance Law]

Quick question...

 

What teams might want Uribe? And for what role?

 

St. Louis. Shortstop baseball player.

[29andPoplar]

If they were intent on keeping Jason B. then they would have just added him to the 40 when they added Egbert. There's like 5 guys who could be kicked off right now to make room for him but they've waited this long, to the point where I'm not even sure he's under the club's control anymore.

 

Egbert isn't listed on the White Sox 40 man (on the Sox site) and they are pretty good about updating.

 

I do not recall an official announcement, just a "they will add him" from maybe Phil Rogers or something like that.

 

In fact, Garland is already not shown on the 40 man on the Sox site and Orlando Cabrera is on there.

Edited November 19, 2007 by 29andPoplar

[Reddy]

honestly i don't hate the deal.

 

what you're giving up is a truly mediocre pitcher and what you're getting is:

 

Gold Glover

Improved Offense

2 draft picks

Cash

 

 

all that for a guy who will give you a mid 4's ERA with about 12 wins... and considering that this offseason is FAAAAR from over i'd say at this point we just have to wait and see what else happens.

[Kalapse]

Egbert isn't listed on the White Sox 40 man (on the Sox site) and they are pretty good about updating.

 

I do not recall an official announcement, just a "they will add him" from maybe Phil Rogers or something like that.

Yeah you're right. I remember that blurb from the end of the season too, I just assumed they had done it already. Well I assume we'll find out fairly soon if these guys will be around next year.

[hitlesswonder]

From everything I have seen, no.

 

You're right: AL rankings are here.. If Cabrera can play about as well as last year then he should be a lock to be Type A.