Buehrle>Wood Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Posted in the catch-all thread already, but this has stirred a big debate here already, so it deserves its own thread. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeGofannon Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 No argument here except maybe for Hanley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I'm suprised David Wright didn't get a single 1st place vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Someone voted Carlos Marmol 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Someone voted Carlos Marmol 10th. ...and Soriano 3rd. I wonder if it was Phil Rogers. For a leadoff man Rollins' OBP isn't very spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 06:10 PM) ...and Soriano 3rd. I wonder if it was Phil Rogers. For a leadoff man Rollins' OBP isn't very spectacular. He had a .903 OPS as a leadoff hitter this season. I would punch someones child for the Sox to have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 David Wright = .325/.416/.546 (.962 OPS) - 73 Extra base hits, 34 SBs, gold glove Not saying he should have won it, but to not get a single first place vote is kinda ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 He had a .903 OPS as a leadoff hitter this season. I would punch someones child for the Sox to have that. Which ranked him fifth on his team. That slugging is being wasted in that spot, just like Soriano. Rollins' raw numbers like the number of doubles, HR, triples aren't THAT impressive to me because he had over 700 at-bats. If his lineup is giving so many opportunities to bat, how is he so valuable to the team? Holliday's road/home splits are ridiculous, but Colorado was just on fire in September when he put up a .367/.448/.796! line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 REJOICE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I think besides Rollins already good numbers, they actually may have looked beyond numbers and actually on their impact on their respective teams as a factor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I think besides Rollins already good numbers, they actually may have looked beyond numbers and actually on their impact on their respective teams as a factor? Holliday should've won it then. Look at his and Colorado's Septembers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I think Rob Neyer has sort of an interesting point. Last year, Ryan Howard won the NL MVP despite Pujols's team making the playoffs, because, at least in the HR and RBI columns, Howard put up better numbers. This year, Jimmy Rollins won the NL MVP despite several other players putting up better numbers in HR, RBI, OPS, etc., because his team wound up making the playoffs. A little consistency people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAUL KONERKO 14 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 No argument here except maybe for Holliday. Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 This is probably the first time in a while I've agreed on basically every award that was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 QUOTE(PAUL KONERKO 14 @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 09:01 PM) Fixed someone doesn't understand the term VORP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 07:53 PM) I think Rob Neyer has sort of an interesting point. Last year, Ryan Howard won the NL MVP despite Pujols's team making the playoffs, because, at least in the HR and RBI columns, Howard put up better numbers. This year, Jimmy Rollins won the NL MVP despite several other players putting up better numbers in HR, RBI, OPS, etc., because his team wound up making the playoffs. A little consistency people? In the Pujols-Howard case, Howard's team won 3 more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 07:51 PM) Holliday should've won it then. Look at his and Colorado's Septembers. There was a ridiculous statistic though where in games where Rollins scored a run vs wins where he didnt. Plus Coors field didnt do much to help Holliday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 at least this isn't as bad as Morneau winning it in my opinion. I thought he was the 3rd best player on their team last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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