Kalapse Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE (Felix @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 12:29 PM) I'm a big fan of this trade. I'm a fan of Carlos Quentin, and there's a reason why he was considered one of the top (50/100) prospects in baseball in 05 and 06. He was #20 in 2006 and #22 in 2005. Talk about an inspired trade. This could go down as one of KW's best, trading a single A DH for a player with Quentin's upside is downright brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Put him with Fields and Gio/Danks and what kind of return could be had.....hell put him with Fields and Owens/Anderson and the Marlins have their LF, CF and 3B next year...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 10:31 AM) He was #20 in 2006 and #22 in 2005. Talk about an inspired trade. This could go down as one of KW's best, trading a single A DH for a player with Quentin's upside is downright brilliant. And, interestingly enough...#23 in 2006 was some dude named Chris Young. Oh and #24 was our closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I don't like Owens as a 4th OF, as he is only really a passable LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 12:31 PM) Suddenly, our OF got a lot stronger. As of right now, Quentin is our starting LF, with Owens in center and Dye in right. If we sign one of Jones/Rowand/Fuku, our OF could be sitting pretty for a while. Fuku/Quentin/Dye & Owens 4th Quentin/Rowand/Dye & Owens 4th Quentin/Jones/Dye & Owens 4th Quentin has never played CF in the majors; tend to doubt he's about to start now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 12:30 PM) Or Rowand in CF; I really dont think KW has Owens as a starter next year. He was dumb last year, but I don't think he's that dumb. How does making Quentin our LF make us better ? I know he's cheap, but unless he's ROY, I don't see how this closes the gap with Cleveland and Detroit. What kind of numbers are realistic for him ? Does anyone see Jerry Owens platooning with him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 10:33 AM) I don't like Owens as a 4th OF, as he is only really a passable LF. Somehow, I think this deal actually makes it more likely that Owens will wind up starting for us next year in CF, because Quentin on paper isn't an ideal leadoff guy, and there's no obvious leadoff hitter candidate out there for CF (although Quentin would be a leadoff guy in the Sizemore style at some level)...we all know we're going to wind up with a speedy guy at the top of the order, and now the only place we can find that guy is in CF, and there aren't any other speedy small guys available who could play CF other than JO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 01:35 PM) How does making Quentin our LF make us better ? I know he's cheap, but unless he's ROY, I don't see how this closes the gap with Cleveland and Detroit. What kind of numbers are realistic for him ? Does anyone see Jerry Owens platooning with him ? Look, I'm as big a supporter of Owens as anyone here, but Quentin is a very large upgrade over Owens in LF in almost every phase of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 10:35 AM) How does making Quentin our LF make us better ? I know he's cheap, but unless he's ROY, I don't see how this closes the gap with Cleveland and Detroit. What kind of numbers are realistic for him ? Does anyone see Jerry Owens platooning with him ? In the minors, Quentin put up these numbers over 4 seasons: .312 .427 .526 953 He put up a 1.004 OPS last year in AAA after being sent down for 1/2 of the season when he struggled upon coming back from a torn Labrum he suffered in ST. In 166 at bats with Arizona, in the big leagues, in 2006, he put up a : .253 .342 .530 872, with 9 home runs (in a full season that would drag out to around 30 homers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcpweiner Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 10:37 AM) we all know we're going to wind up with a speedy guy at the top of the order, and now the only place we can find that guy is in CF, and there aren't any other speedy small guys available who could play CF other than JO. It's too bad you're right about the Sox trying to stick to that formula. Putting Cabrera at the top of the order should be on their list of things to do, unless they get a nice leadoff Crawford-type guy or something. Sticking Owens up there just because he's quick shouldn't be on their radar until he earns that kind of at-bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 12:31 PM) Suddenly, our OF got a lot stronger. As of right now, Quentin is our starting LF, with Owens in center and Dye in right. If we sign one of Jones/Rowand/Fuku, our OF could be sitting pretty for a while. Fuku/Quentin/Dye & Owens 4th Quentin/Rowand/Dye & Owens 4th Quentin/Jones/Dye & Owens 4th Oh please yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 12:35 PM) How does making Quentin our LF make us better ? I know he's cheap, but unless he's ROY, I don't see how this closes the gap with Cleveland and Detroit. What kind of numbers are realistic for him ? Does anyone see Jerry Owens platooning with him ? More than anything he is viable prospect. If this is the final move, it is a bad one, if it is part an offseason plan than it is a good one. He is an MLB ready prospect which could fit our plans or is tradeable, which when packaged looks really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 01:39 PM) In the minors, Quentin put up these numbers over 4 seasons: .312 .427 .526 953 He put up a 1.004 OPS last year in AAA after being sent down for 1/2 of the season when he struggled upon coming back from a torn Labrum he suffered in ST. In 166 at bats with Arizona, in the big leagues, in 2006, he put up a : .253 .342 .530 872, with 9 home runs (in a full season that would drag out to around 30 homers). I'm still trying to figure out who the f*** the lead-off hitter is going to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 If we get rowand or jones, I'm pretty happy with this offense at this point. A lot of kids have to step up still in fields, richar, and quentin but I think they have the talent to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 06:41 PM) I'm still trying to figure out who the f*** the lead-off hitter is going to be. richar i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(bmags @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 12:43 PM) richar i guess. I'm getting scared...mostly because I spent another $4000 on this team for '08. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 10:41 AM) More than anything he is viable prospect. If this is the final move, it is a bad one, if it is part an offseason plan than it is a good one. He is an MLB ready prospect which could fit our plans or is tradeable, which when packaged looks really good. I dunno, I for one really would not be a fan of acquiring him and then immediately moving him for a Cabrera...for 2 reasons. One, he has the ability to put up some excellent numbers for us at a much lower price than Cabrera...and two, and more importantly; his trade value is actually lower than it should be because of his injury last year. He could well come out next season, get hot in april, and have his value skyrocket to the level that a lot of these other young OF's are at. His value could shoot upwards from here, and he could be 2x as valuable come the deadline if we wanted to move him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I'd love the possibility of Anderson or Sweeney as a 4th OF, though the ship has sailed on BA and Sweeney needs starts, but both give you nice defensive options at all three spots. But I don't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Fukodome to lead off and play CF perhaps? Is he that type of hitter (I must confess I have only seen a few numbers on him). More likely, KW is again working under the radar, and it will be something no one expected. He does excel at that. And I think Owens is an almost ideal 4th OF, who also gives a nice PR option on the bench. He's solid defensively in CF and LF, except for that arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 10:41 AM) I'm still trying to figure out who the f*** the lead-off hitter is going to be. Jerry Owens, who if this goes down we pencil in to CF. If they make another move for a CF, then I'd say it's possible that we'll see a 1-2 of Cabrera, Quentin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 12:46 PM) Jerry Owens, who if this goes down we pencil in to CF. If they make another move for a CF, then I'd say it's possible that we'll see a 1-2 of Cabrera, Quentin. That's my guess, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 12:45 PM) Fukodome to lead off and play CF perhaps? Is he that type of hitter (I must confess I have only seen a few numbers on him). IMO yes. He usually has an incredibly high OBP (.400+) so yeah he'd be a great fit at the top of a lineup that features quite a bit of power in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 10:45 AM) Fukodome to lead off and play CF perhaps? Is he that type of hitter (I must confess I have only seen a few numbers on him). And I think Owens is an almost ideal 4th OF, who also gives a nice PR option on the bench. He's solid defensively in CF and LF, except for that arm. Fukudome to me is a decent leadoff option, but he's not an Ozzie type leadoff option. The best thing he has going for him is a reputation at being patient at the plate...taking a ton of walks, getting that OBP up around .400. But he's not a speed burner, he's a 10 SB a year kinda guy. Here's his Japanese Stats from the Baseball Cube, if you wanted to see them. He's also not a natural CF, which means we'd be moving him to there from a corner OF position, which may make him not want to sign with us if he doesn't want to do that move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 12:46 PM) Jerry Owens, who if this goes down we pencil in to CF. If they make another move for a CF, then I'd say it's possible that we'll see a 1-2 of Cabrera, Quentin. If only jerry owens had an arm, I'd be comfortable with this. Any chance he might find one this offseason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 (edited) can he really play CF thou in regards to fuku Edited December 3, 2007 by bmags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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