Rowand offered 4 yrs/55 million from Sox

[fathom]

As currently constructed, what OBP machine would be in front of Thome if we hit him third? Cabrera, of the we-should-be-pleased-with-a-.340-OBP variety?

 

Hopefully we announce a Fukodome signing so we don't have to go any further with this. That solves everything, Fukodome leads off with Cabrera second and everybody (that I can tell) is happy happy.

 

I hate when people let announcers and managers/GM shape the way they view things.

[fathom]

Well, all these people are jumping off a ledge because we don't have proven veterans at every position and so we can't compete for the next 4 years, so if they're demanding it then that's an option. I think it'd be stupid, but I think a lot of these desperation find a CF moves are pretty dumb as well.

 

I just think DeJesus is nothing special and likely won't improve from the level he's been at over last few years. That's why I'd be just thrilled with Josh Hamilton. It's a huge risk, but also the reward is possibly incredible at all. For him, I'd have no problem finding a platoon partner if necessary.

[CWSGuy406]

So wouldn't that mean we'd have to come up with a better offer than Chuck James? Doesn't seem like it would be in our best interest to give up something like Gio and another of our few legit prospects.

 

You bring up Hamilton, when in all likelihood it would similarly take Gio + others to land Hamilton. I don't buy for a second that the Reds were asking for Sean Marshall. BS -- I'm reasonably comfortable saying they were either asking for Marshall plus another quality player (Marmol? Gallagher?) or for just Rich Hill.

[fathom]

You bring up Hamilton, when in all likelihood it would similarly take Gio + others to land Hamilton. I don't buy for a second that the Reds were asking for Sean Marshall. BS -- I'm reasonably comfortable saying they were either asking for Marshall plus another quality player (Marmol? Gallagher?) or for just Rich Hill.

 

I'd give up Gio and any prospect not named DLS (I don't consider the rest of the AAAA pitchers as prospects) for Hamilton.

[fathom]

You bring up Hamilton, when in all likelihood it would similarly take Gio + others to land Hamilton. I don't buy for a second that the Reds were asking for Sean Marshall. BS -- I'm reasonably comfortable saying they were either asking for Marshall plus another quality player (Marmol? Gallagher?) or for just Rich Hill.

 

No kidding, the same Marshall who was pulled from Cubs rotation when his fastball wasn't reaching 85 mph. I was stunned to see that report, and it figured to be bogus.

[Buehrle>Wood]

No way does Hamilton get a top prospect. No way. Not with his problems.

[Harry Chappas]

The Braves offered Chuck James, a highly touted lefty MLB starter, and I believe the Royals said no. I'm worried about what we'd have to give up to get DeJesus. I'd much rather trade for Josh Hamilton.

 

Off the top of my head, I thought I saw James pitch and he looked terrible. Am I confusing him with an atlanta leftie that really blew. I thought it was Saturday afternoon game agaisnt he cubs when Pinella got tossed......

[fathom]

No way does Hamilton get a top prospect. No way. Not with his problems.

 

A lefty hitting leadoff CF for Broadway....where do I sign up?

[DBAHO]

Did anyone bring up Nate McLouth as a possible trade option?

 

Had around an .821 OPS in 2007 IIRC, and stole 22 bases. He was much better power wise against righties, but if the price was right he could be a decent lead off option I guess.

 

Anyways, 4/55 Rowand is overpaying, but it's not a 5 year deal at least.

 

If Rowand can consistently produce what he did this season for Philly for the Sox in at least 3 of the seasons, then it'll be a good signing. I doubt that will be the case though, but KW has to save face here.

[daa84]

Did anyone bring up Nate McLouth as a possible trade option?

 

Had around an .821 OPS in 2007 IIRC, and stole 22 bases. He was much better power wise against righties, but if the price was right he could be a decent lead off option I guess.

 

Anyways, 4/55 Rowand is overpaying, but it's not a 5 year deal at least.

 

If Rowand can consistently produce what he did this season for Philly for the Sox in at least 3 of the seasons, then it'll be a good signing. I doubt that will be the case though, but KW has to save face here.

mcclouth is very available, i just think at this point KW has to be looking at making more of a splash than guy like mcclouth and dejesus....not that a bigger splash is out there, but we will see

[max power]

Is this where I start b****ing and panicking?

[max power]

I don't see how 4/55 is worse for him than 5/60 as someone mentioned earlier. I'm sure(well I hope) rowand's agents know something about the time value of money.

[Vance Law]

I don't see how 4/55 is worse for him than 5/60 as someone mentioned earlier. I'm sure(well I hope) rowand's agents know something about the time value of money.

 

Yes, that was me. Maybe his agents don't.

 

Let's offer him 5/54.

[BearSox]

A lefty hitting leadoff CF for Broadway....where do I sign up?

 

I like Hamilton, but he ain't a leadoff hitter. Well, at least in my book when you have someone who can put a SLG% of .550 or greater they aren't a leadoff hitter but a middle of the order guy.

[GreatScott82]

Its not like Rowand is the answer to all our problems but was signing Hunter going to get us into the playoffs? The market is what it is.. Konerko would have signed a bigger deal THIS offseason if he was a free agent THIS offseason. As time goes on, the more and more free agents will make. And lets face it, we need a CF with a good OBP and average and Rowand is that. He's no superstar but he's a solid baseball player. At this point KW doesn't really have any other options other than Fukudome who the Cubs are almost certain to get. Just bring back the original grinder, and lets start talking about the next move.. probably a leadoff hitter of some sort...

Or maybe even a SP.. Im sure he feels obligated to make some sort of a splash soon to calm some of the disgruntled Sox fans down. .

 

[Balta1701]

Its not like Rowand is the answer to all our problems but was signing Hunter going to get us into the playoffs? The market is what it is.. Konerko would have signed a bigger deal THIS offseason if he was a free agent THIS offseason. As time goes on, the more and more free agents will make. And lets face it, we need a CF with a good OBP and average and Rowand is that.

Aaron Rowand does not have a good OBP, he had, at least last year, a good batting average. His OBP was high because he hit .310. He took more walks last year than any other year of his career and still only took 47.

 

If the previous 2 year Rowand, who hit .270 or Lower, were to return, which I fully expect will happen a couple years of his contract at least, then there's no reason to expect to see Rowand putting up anything more than the .325 OPS we saw from him in 05 and 06.

[kapkomet]

Aaron Rowand does not have a good OBP, he had, at least last year, a good batting average. His OBP was high because he hit .310. He took more walks last year than any other year of his career and still only took 47.

 

If the previous 2 year Rowand, who hit .270 or Lower, were to return, which I fully expect will happen a couple years of his contract at least, then there's no reason to expect to see Rowand putting up anything more than the .325 OPS we saw from him in 05 and 06.

Quit talking about facts, Balta. Rowand is "god".

 

[klaus kinski]

He's been in the post-season since he left us, we havent

[Rowand44]

Quit talking about facts, Balta. Rowand is "god".

Well, I certainly don't think he's a god and up until now I've been pretty against re-signing Aaron. That being said, we need a cf and we need one badly. Rowand has been just about as good of a hitter as Hunter overall and with what Torii got from the Angels, I think getting ARow for that kind of deal would be a steal. For this deal and under this circumstance, I think acquiring Aaron would be fantastic.

 

I don't think it's going to happen though, at least not with this offer.

[Dick Allen]

He's been in the post-season since he left us, we havent

He didn't do so well though. I would take him if the price wasn't ridiculous. If he hits like he did in 2004 and 2007 he'd be pretty worth it. If Levine is accurate and the Sox offered him 4 years and $55 million, and it was turned down, its time to tell him to go scratch.

[Greg The Bull Luzinski]

So based on protocol, White Sox have proudly made an offer. Some time tomorrow, another team should be stepping in with a much larger offer that will ger Rowand away from the White Sox. Whoopee!!!

[EvilJester99]

I think somehow if the Sox sign Rowand/Fukudome and make a deal to get Brian Roberts, I would be pretty happy with this offseason. Who knows if any of this would happen but its a nice dream.

[RockRaines]

I like Hamilton, but he ain't a leadoff hitter. Well, at least in my book when you have someone who can put a SLG% of .550 or greater they aren't a leadoff hitter but a middle of the order guy.

Rickey Henderson put up SLG in the .500's, he was a pretty good lead off hitter.

[klaus kinski]

I think somehow if the Sox sign Rowand/Fukudome and make a deal to get Brian Roberts, I would be pretty happy with this offseason. Who knows if any of this would happen but its a nice dream.

 

If that happens I would too-we'd have a line up with major leagues top to bottom

[Want2Repeat]

I think somehow if the Sox sign Rowand/Fukudome and make a deal to get Brian Roberts, I would be pretty happy with this offseason. Who knows if any of this would happen but its a nice dream.

 

Where are all of these rumors coming from? Now Brian Roberts? Erik Bedard? Sure, I will take both, plus Rowand and this will be the greatest offseason recovery ever. Yeah right. After getting my heart ripped out the past two weeks, I can't muster any enthusiasm to speculate on any top player coming to the Sox. The Sox are always the bridesmaid and never the bride. Unless we are ready to start competing with Detroit, LA, Boston, and NY, Kenny needs to stop spouting off about how they are going for a championship. I hate being this negative, but this team is a mess right now and I don't see how it gets fixed, barring a Sox spending spree of epic proportions. I don't know if anyone posted this yet, but this article is right on and all too depressing:

 

http://www.southsidesox.com/story/2007/12/5/14413/7622