Guillen and Gibbons suspened for first 15 games.

[BearSox]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-d...p&type=lgns

 

This explains where Gibbons power has gone and why he had a big 2005, if it wasn't obvious already. And yeah, sucks for the Royals, stupid signing.

 

Looks like more to come when the mitchell report comes out.

[Linnwood]

"Gary Matthews Jr., Rick Ankiel, Troy Glaus and Scott Schoeneweis also were linked to performance-enhancing drugs, but baseball decided there was "insufficient evidence" to determine they committed a doping violation."

 

How do you spell toothless? M L B

[Gregory Pratt]

"Gary Matthews Jr., Rick Ankiel, Troy Glaus and Scott Schoeneweis also were linked to performance-enhancing drugs, but baseball decided there was "insufficient evidence" to determine they committed a doping violation."

 

How do you spell toothless? M L B

 

It's not toothless; they could act.

 

They just don't want to.

 

Bud Selig has been involved in an effort to cover-up from the beginning.

[southsider2k5]

What a joke. Baseball hasn't learned a damned thing from a near decade of these drug "scandals" splashing accross the newspapers. Bud Selig needs to read some baseball history and look up baseballs first real commish, and see how he solved problems. GROW A PAIR BUD!

[Gregory Pratt]

What a joke. Baseball hasn't learned a damned thing from a near decade of these drug "scandals" splashing accross the newspapers. Bud Selig needs to read some baseball history and look up baseballs first real commish, and see how he solved problems. GROW A PAIR BUD!

 

The counter to that: Bud has learned a lot, and his wallet has increased.

 

Baseball is now nearer to the NFL than it has ever been, and they're continually setting profit records.

 

This isn't much of a scandal. The fans don't truly care. They want dingers, and those are really responsible for the revenue increases.

 

Ergo, why should Bud Selig fight it?

Edited December 7, 2007 by Gregory Pratt

[southsider2k5]

The NFL is the wrong sport to reference in this case.

 

They suspend people for off of the field problems

They suspend people for drugs and prefomance enhancers

They enforce the intergrety of the game by making rules to keep their sport classy

 

MLB wishes it was the NFL, because at least the NFL has integretity.

[Gregory Pratt]

I was only referring to the NFL/MLB in terms of money. Baseball is getting much closer and baseball is setting profit records. By that standard, Bud Selig is a great MLB Commissioner; the game is more popular than ever.

 

And I, for what it's worth, would add that the NFL does not have integrity any more than baseball does. But I ask: you think football is classy?

[CWSGuy406]

And I, for what it's worth, would add that the NFL does not have integrity any more than baseball does. But I ask: you think football is classy?

 

I was gonna say... it's not like football acted any quicker than baseball did with regards to enforcing these steroid policies. I'd just say that the NFL has a better marketing or legal team. It goes back to what I said in another thread -- guys like Raffy Palmeiro and Gary Matthews Jr are absolutely villified any and everytime their name comes up in the media -- "If you remember __ months ago GMJ was cited for steroid allegations." Yet in the NFL you have Shawn Merriman, for one -- I don't remember the last time I heard the fact that he got caught. No, no... hell, he's the star of that Nike (?) commercial.

[southsider2k5]

The NFL started giving drug suspensions about a decade ago. They were way quicker to do something than MLB, and MLB, between the anti-trust, and the commish's powers to act in the best interest of the game, they have been a complete failure in this aspect. The NFL even had to have this happen during labor negotiations, which MLB didn't.

[Balta1701]

The NFL is the wrong sport to reference in this case.

 

They suspend people for off of the field problems

They suspend people for drugs and prefomance enhancers

They enforce the intergrety of the game by making rules to keep their sport classy

 

MLB wishes it was the NFL, because at least the NFL has integretity.

Todd Sauerbrun says "Hi."

 

Then he said he's going to go kick to Hester again. I don't know what that's about. Must be oddly angry about something.,

[Dick Allen]

The NFL started giving drug suspensions about a decade ago. They were way quicker to do something than MLB, and MLB, between the anti-trust, and the commish's powers to act in the best interest of the game, they have been a complete failure in this aspect. The NFL even had to have this happen during labor negotiations, which MLB didn't.

How many years did it take after Lyle Alzado died because of cancer he claimed came from steroid abuse did these 4 game suspensions start occuring?

[CWSGuy406]

The NFL started giving drug suspensions about a decade ago. They were way quicker to do something than MLB, and MLB, between the anti-trust, and the commish's powers to act in the best interest of the game, they have been a complete failure in this aspect. The NFL even had to have this happen during labor negotiations, which MLB didn't.

 

This doesn't seem to jive with what I've always thought. That's not to say you're wrong, mind you, but I don't remember the NFL being a whole helluva lot more stern than MLB during the 90s.

[Gregory Pratt]

Umm, MLB has given out drug suspensions before.

 

The Eighties Drug Trials say hello, as do these guys:

 

* Joaquín Andújar

* Dale Berra

* Enos Cabell

* Keith Hernandez

* Jeffrey Leonard

* Dave Parker

* Lonnie Smith

Edited December 7, 2007 by Gregory Pratt

[Chisoxfn]

It's not toothless; they could act.

 

They just don't want to.

 

Bud Selig has been involved in an effort to cover-up from the beginning.

I wasn't aware of some of those players that were not suspended actually using those performance enahncing supplements during a time when they were banned in baseball.

[southsider2k5]

How many years did it take after Lyle Alzado died because of cancer he claimed came from steroid abuse did these 4 game suspensions start occuring?

 

And they were still how many years ahead of MLB?

[Gregory Pratt]

I wasn't aware of some of those players that were not suspended actually using those performance enahncing supplements during a time when they were banned in baseball.

 

Are you saying you don't believe that MLB and the MLBPA have not been, since the beginning, trying to cover this all up and keep it under wraps?

[NorthSideSox72]

Point of clarification - I have read nothing indicating any increas in profit for baseball. Attendance is up, and revenue is up. But so are costs. Some clubs still lose money, most only make a little - and that is just the guesswork that Forbes publishes annually because MLB doesn't give out this information.

 

Has there been any indication at all that MLB and/or the teams are actually making more money?

 

[Dick Allen]

Point of clarification - I have read nothing indicating any increas in profit for baseball. Attendance is up, and revenue is up. But so are costs. Some clubs still lose money, most only make a little - and that is just the guesswork that Forbes publishes annually because MLB doesn't give out this information.

 

Has there been any indication at all that MLB and/or the teams are actually making more money?

Hawk while praising Selig constantly is always saying everyone is making money. I read the other day the Marlins get $60 million before they sell 1 ticket, so we know the $53 million Forbes says they made is probably pretty accurate. I read where player salaries were 41% of total revenue, compared to 53% in the NFL. I think the contracts passed out the past couple of years are pretty indicative as well. Even the Royals and D-Rays are starting to shell out some coin.

[Gregory Pratt]

Bud Selig and Scott Boras don't refer to this as the Golden Age of Baseball because Albert Pujols and Ichiro Suzuki and Barry Bonds have pretty smiles.

[southsider2k5]

Point of clarification - I have read nothing indicating any increas in profit for baseball. Attendance is up, and revenue is up. But so are costs. Some clubs still lose money, most only make a little - and that is just the guesswork that Forbes publishes annually because MLB doesn't give out this information.

 

Has there been any indication at all that MLB and/or the teams are actually making more money?

 

Personally I have no problems trusting Forbes numbers. They exsist because they know how to decipher stuff much more involved than a baseball team.

[Texsox]

The NFL is the wrong sport to reference in this case.

 

They suspend people for off of the field problems

They suspend people for drugs and prefomance enhancers

They enforce the intergrety of the game by making rules to keep their sport classy

 

MLB wishes it was the NFL, because at least the NFL has integretity.

The NFL, unlike MLB and the NBA market teams much better. Take the star crap out of advertising and it makes your sport a bit more insulated from needing that star power to sell tickets and in a better position to suspend anyone.

[Dick Allen]

The NFL is the wrong sport to reference in this case.

 

They suspend people for off of the field problems

They suspend people for drugs and prefomance enhancers

They enforce the intergrety of the game by making rules to keep their sport classy

 

MLB wishes it was the NFL, because at least the NFL has integretity.

Yeah they have a lot of integrity, just ask the old injured players looking for help paying their medical bills while the McCaskey's and the rest in their fraternity count their money.

[Balta1701]

Yeah they have a lot of integrity, just ask the old injured players looking for help paying their medical bills while the McCaskey's and the rest in their fraternity count their money.

And, as I said before, ask those Carolina Panthers players who were reportedly given Steroid prescriptions right around the time they were in the Super Bowl.

 

Todd Sauerbrun says "Hi". He also said "Sauerbrun angry. Sauerbrun kick to Hester. Sauerbrun eat Hester. What was that blur?"

[Balta1701]

It seems some folks are missing my Panthers/Steroids reference. Here's that story.

Carolina Panthers punter Todd Sauerbrun and center Jeff Mitchell and former offensive lineman Todd Steussie had steroid prescriptions filled by a West Columbia, S.C., doctor now under investigation by federal authorities, according to 60 Minutes Wednesday report.

 

In a release Tuesday, the CBS News show said the players all had prescriptions for testosterone cream filled within two weeks of the Panthers' appearance in the 2004 Super Bowl.

 

In addition to the cream, which is banned by the NFL, Sauerbrun -- one of the league's top punters -- also obtained syringes and the injectable steroid Stanozolol, which is also banned by the league.

 

The prescriptions were reportedly written by Dr. James Shortt, who is the subject of a Drug Enforcement Administration probe for allegedly prescribing steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs.

 

Mitchell, a center, filled a testosterone prescription seven times, while Steussie, an offensive lineman now with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, obtained 11 refills over an eight-month period in 2004, CBS reported.

 

"We've heard rumors and speculation about what was going to be in the CBS report, but this is the first time we've heard the specific allegations," Panthers general manager Marty Hurney said. "Obviously, any time there is a possible connection with alleged actions that violate NFL rules, it concerns us greatly.

 

"We are dealing with allegations right now and we will continue to cooperate with the NFL and law enforcement in this matter."

 

The Panthers have been cooperating with a federal subpoena that sought contact information for several players as part of the probe of Shortt.

 

Hurney has stressed that none of the team's players have tested positive for steroids

[Texsox]

Thank you