Rowand signs with Giants

[sircaffey]

You bring up an interesting point about the LF spot (Bonds would be too much of a circus this season)....KW doesn't envision Quentin as a starting LF. The Sox were going to put Fuku in LF if they signed him.

 

The way around the rebuilding pitfalls. Sign Barry Bonds to play LF. Trade everyone else on the team, and yet still people will buy tickets to see Bonds play. Or to boo him.

[DBAHO]

I'll take Miguel Cabrera, or Eric Bedard, or pretty much whoever we wanted if we had Young to deal.

 

However, lets not derail this thread.

I'd actually take Vazquez over Bedard if you consider durability, and if he can show 2007 was the norm and not an aberration. But that's another topic for another time.

 

Well I said yesterday that I thought that the Giants were favourites to sign Rowand, if they were willing to offer him a 5 year deal, and that's indeed what they did.

 

5/60 in this market is pretty good. Doesn't mean Rowand's worth it, but it looks a lot better than the Hunter deal IMHO, especially when you consider Rowand is younger and argubly coming off the better offensive season.

 

Right now I think we end up signing Alexei Ramirez to play CF. With Luke Scott dealt, Nate McLouth could be the other best trade option left on the market.

[hitlesswonder]

KW doesn't envision Quentin as a starting LF. The Sox were going to put Fuku in LF if they signed him.

 

If the Sox don't give Quentin major-league playing time in 2008, that trade will have been idiotic.

 

Who said the Sox would have put Fukudome in LF? Is the plan for Quentin to be in AAA this season (he does have an option left). In that case, I think a trade of Fields + Gio or DLS for Bay suddenly sounds like a possibility.

[fathom]

If the Sox don't give Quentin major-league playing time in 2008, that trade will have been idiotic.

 

Who said the Sox would have put Fukudome in LF? Is the plan for Quentin to be in AAA this season (he does have an option left). In that case, I think a trade of Fields + Gio or DLS for Bay suddenly sounds like a possibility.

 

Cowley's blurb this morning said the Sox envisioned Fuku in LF. Fields and Gio for Bay would be the worst trade in the history of this franchise. I'd rather have Fields than Bay right now.

[DBAHO]

You bring up an interesting point about the LF spot (Bonds would be too much of a circus this season)....KW doesn't envision Quentin as a starting LF. The Sox were going to put Fuku in LF if they signed him.

Now fathom why would we trade our best position prospect in Chris Carter for Quentin, if we weren't going to give Quentin an oppurtunity to start and show us what he's capable of?

 

That would make the trade a whole lot worse IMHO.

[fathom]

Now fathom why would we trade our best position prospect in Chris Carter for Quentin, if we weren't going to give Quentin an oppurtunity to start and show us what he's capable of?

 

That would make the trade a whole lot worse IMHO.

 

Ask KW

[DBAHO]

Cowley's blurb this morning said the Sox envisioned Fuku in LF. Fields and Gio for Bay would be the worst trade in the history of this franchise. I'd rather have Fields than Bay right now.

The Pirates have Neil Walker coming up at 3B in the next couple of years don't they.

 

I guess they could always spin Fields off in a deal for something else, or play him in LF, but you're sort of wasting his talents there.

[DBAHO]

Ask KW

Well it shows a couple of things;

 

1 - How desperate we are still for a leadoff hitter, if you would start Owens in CF over Quentin in LF.

2 - That defense is still important if they didn't want to play Fukudome in CF.

[fathom]

The Pirates have Neil Walker coming up at 3B in the next couple of years don't they.

 

I guess they could always spin Fields off in a deal for something else, or play him in LF, but you're sort of wasting his talents there.

 

I'm not a fan of Walker's at all. At this point, KW shouldn't even consider trading Fields. You can have a 30 homer 3rd baseman locked up for the next 5 years. He's one of our few prospects in the last decade to come up and look like they can actually be a difference maker.

[southsideirish71]

Cowley's blurb this morning said the Sox envisioned Fuku in LF. Fields and Gio for Bay would be the worst trade in the history of this franchise. I'd rather have Fields than Bay right now.

 

Cowley is the new bombarder. His accuracy rate is far worse than the previous bombarder Bruce Levine. Take anything he says with a grain of salt.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2007 by southsideirish71

[DBAHO]

I'm not a fan of Walker's at all. At this point, KW shouldn't even consider trading Fields. You can have a 30 homer 3rd baseman locked up for the next 5 years. He's one of our few prospects in the last decade to come up and look like they can actually be a difference maker.

Agreed on Fields. He should be the closest we have to an untouchable at this point. Good young RHH power hitters don't grow on trees, and average ones such as Jose Guillen when they hit FA get paid handsomely.

 

Haven't seen enough of Walker to comment, but I remember they had to move him from C to 3B because he couldn't handle being behind the plate.

[fathom]

Cowley is the new bombarder. His accuracy rate is far worse than the previous bombarder Bruce Levine. Take anything he says with a grain of salt.

 

Are you looking forward to seeing Rowand face Peavy 6 times next year as much as I am?

[hitlesswonder]

I'd rather have Fields than Bay right now.

 

But would Williams? This is the guy that apparently is ready to put 26 year-old Carlos Quentin in AAA and waste a year of major league development.

 

And the guy who I think has decided that Owens would be an OF starter no matter what -- that's why the Sox have been targeting just one OF & they'd sit Quentin if Fukudome signed .

 

And PIT supposedly wanted two top prospects from CLE for Bay...that's the price.

[DBAHO]

Or that Cowely doesn't have a clue, which is very possible.

Well let's hope so.

 

His status as a reporter has really slipped since he left the Southtown IMHO.

[RockRaines]

Ok, if you are going to b****, at least do it as an informed person. Kw had him slated for cf, fuk wanted to play rf, he didn't want to displace dye, so it was another factor of why he didn't come here. At no time was he going to be a left fielder. So please put that to rest. Secondly, we should take a run at murton. Quentin mashes rhp for whatever reason and murton mashes lhp. They could be a somewhat platoon and could possibly put out almost all star levels of obp production.

[fathom]

Ok, if you are going to b****, at least do it as an informed person. Kw had him slated for cf, fuk wanted to play rf, he didn't want to displace dye, so it was another factor of why he didn't come here. At no time was he going to be a left fielder. So please put that to rest. Secondly, we should take a run at murton. Quentin mashes rhp for whatever reason and murton mashes lhp. They could be a somewhat platoon and could possibly put out almost all star levels of obp production.

 

First, Ozzie would never platoon to righties. Second, the Cowley blurb that was posted on here earlier stated that the Sox were going to play him in LF. http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2007/12...three.html#more

Edited December 12, 2007 by fathom

[DBAHO]

I thought Quentin had pretty even splits against RHP and LHP off the top of my head. I could be wrong though.

[Balta1701]

I thought Quentin had pretty even splits against RHP and LHP off the top of my head. I could be wrong though.

Over his 2 years in the big leagues:

 

Vs. LHP:

.171 .276 .352 .628

Vs. RHP:

.252 .331 .452 .783

 

Just as with Brian Anderson, he hits righties better than he hits lefties right now. So, as he is a right handed batter, therefore he must only face lefties. Because CARLOS QUENTIN CAN NOT HIT RIGHT HANDED PITCHING!!!!

[WhiteSoxfan1986]

I'll still take Javier Vazquez.

 

And it least Young helped keep the Cubs from advancing in the playoffs. Yea, I said it.

 

But this is Great news, how does Sabean still have a job again?

[fathom]

Does it scare anyone else that Pods and Erstad are still out there?

[southsideirish71]

Does it scare anyone else that Pods and Erstad are still out there?

 

If either are picked up for starters as say a plan -Z.9 then Kenny shouldnt show up to soxfest. It will get ugly.

 

 

 

[The Beast]

Okay, so here's my problem:

Now that we threw money at Rowand and Hunter, does this money go away? Or does our team actually go and spend it?

 

If they spend it, how will they fix the leadoff hitter, centerfielder, starting pitcher and bullpen holes?

Do the Sox go out and get a guy like Corey Patterson or do they trade with the already battered farm system for either Crisp or Bay?

What do we know about Geoff Jenkins?

Do the Sox sign Colon, Clement, or Garcia?

How about Vizcaino?

Do they sign Kuroda?

 

 

[Steve9347]

From Rotoworld.

This means the Giants will be paying $26.5 million next year for an outfield in Dave Roberts, Rowand and Randy Winn that has combined for two 800-OPS seasons in the last three years (Winn in 2005, Rowand in 2007).

 

Bwahahaha. At least we're not the Giants.

Edited December 12, 2007 by Steve9347

[hitlesswonder]

Do the Sox go out and get a guy like Corey Patterson or do they trade with the already battered farm system for either Crisp or Bay?

 

Crisp, Pierre and Bay are possibilities. Patterson is a Boras client, isn't he?

What do we know about Geoff Jenkins?

He won't be on the 2008 Sox?

 

Do the Sox sign Colon, Clement, or Garcia?

No, the rotation is set as MB,JV,JC, Danks, and Floyd

How about Vizcaino?

That's a possibility

 

Do they sign Kuroda?

The Dodgers reportedly already have.

Edited December 12, 2007 by hitlesswonder

[Chisoxfn]

Is Wynn available? I know he's mediocre but he posts a decent OBP and has done so at a pitchers park (San Fran). I've always thought he was a solid enough player. He obviously doesn't make the team a world series contender but he would fill the hole of getting someone who can get on base atop of the order and he is capable of playing CF (albeit he isn't an amazing CFer).