Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Again repeating the "protect the best interest of the game" part. That sure sounds like it has to be aimed at Bonds, Clemens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 It's crazy how all this is linked from one player to the next.... Eric Gagné Eric Gagné is a relief pitcher who began his career in Major League Baseball with the Los Angeles Dodgers in 1999 and played with the Dodgers through 2006. In 2007, he played for the Texas Rangers and the Boston Red Sox, and in December he signed with the Milwaukee Brewers. In 2002 and 2003, Gagné was the Los Angeles Dodgers Player of the Year. In 2003, he saved 55 games and won the Cy Young Award and the National League Rolaids Relief Pitcher of the Year. In 2004, he saved 45 games and again won the National League Rolaids Relief Pitcher of the Year. He has played in three All-Star games. Paul Lo Duca and Gagné were teammates with the Dodgers from 1999 to 2004. Although he is not sure when, Radomski recalled that Lo Duca called Radomski and told Radomski that Gagné was with him and wanted to buy human growth hormone. Gagné then came onto the phone and asked Radomski a question about how to get air out of a syringe. This is the only time Radomski spoke to Gagné. Radomski said that Lo Duca thereafter placed orders on Gagné’s behalf. Radomski said that he mailed two shipments to Gagné, each consisting of two kits of human growth hormone. One was sent to Gagné’s home in Florida; the other was sent to Dodger Stadium. Federal agents seized from Radomski’s home a copy of an Express Mail 422 See supra at 131 (discussing meetings and notes). 423 See Tyler Kepner, Sheffield Thinks Twice; No Hesitation for Brown, N.Y. Times, Dec. 15, 2003, at Sports 1. 218 receipt showing a shipment to “Dodger Stadium, c/o Eric Gagne – L.A. Dodgers Home Club, 1000 Elysian Park Ave., Los Angeles, California 90012” dated August 9, 2004. A copy of this receipt is included in the Appendix and is shown below. Radomski said that this was for one of the shipments of human growth hormone to Gagné. Lo Duca paid Radomski for one of the shipments to Gagné by cashier’s check in the amount of $3,200. The Lo Duca checks supplied by Radomski reflect two payments of $3,200 (each the cost of two kits) within a six-week time frame during the summer of 2004. Radomski said that, on one other occasion, Gagné sent Radomski $3,200 in cash by FedEx. 219 According to notes of the October 2003 meetings of Dodgers officials, it was reportedly said of Gagné that: “he probably takes medication and tendons and ligaments don’t build up just the muscle.”424 When the Boston Red Sox were considering acquiring Gagné, a Red Sox official made specific inquiries about Gagné’s possible use of steroids. In a November 1, 2006 email to a Red Sox scout, general manager Theo Epstein asked, “Have you done any digging on Gagne? I know the Dodgers think he was a steroid guy. Maybe so. What do you hear on his medical?”425 The scout, Mark Delpiano, responded, Some digging on Gagne and steroids IS the issue. Has had a checkered medical past throughout career including minor leagues. Lacks the poise and commitment to stay healthy, maintain body and re invent self. What made him a tenacious closer was the max effort plus stuff . . . Mentality without the plus weapons and without steroid help probably creates a large risk in bounce back durability and ability to throw average while allowing the changeup to play as it once did . . . Personally, durability (or lack of) will follow Gagne . . .426 In order to provide Gagné with information about these allegations and to give him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnwood Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 So how long until the counter spin starts from ESPN, et. al ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Jim Parque Jim Parque pitched in Major League Baseball for the Chicago White Sox and Tampa Bay Devil Rays from 1998 through 2003. In 2004, he played for Arizona’s class AAA affiliate. He announced his retirement at the end of that season because of shoulder injuries, but in 2007 he played for Seattle’s class AAA affiliate. Radomski did not recall who referred Parque to him but said that he made two sales of human growth hormone to him. Radomski said that during the 2003 off-season Parque sent Radomski a bottle of Winstrol to “check out.” Radomski determined it was “no good” and discarded it. Radomski produced two checks from Parque. The first was dated October 18, 2003 in the amount of $3,200; the second was dated December 6, 2003 in the amount of $1,600. Both are included in the Appendix. One is shown below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 mods, in the interest of reporting fact and to clear up any confusion regarding this....can we delete the posts that had the lists from deadspin and the other "sources" as they are not accurate and include players who have not been mentioned in the report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:12 PM) Mitchell just alleged that the report provides info on people who were warned about upcoming tests in advance. Has anyone hit that section yet? That would be a bombshell. Alleged Advance Notice of 2003 Survey Testing In an article published on October 16, 2004, Lance Williams and Mark Fainaru- Wada of the San Francisco Chronicle reported statements from a surreptitious recording of a 558 Memorandum from Jennifer R. Gefsky to Robert D. Manfred, Jr. Re: 2006 Medical/ Drug Testing Budget, dated Oct. 3, 2005, at 1. 279 conversation reportedly between Greg Anderson and an unidentified person; the authors repeated those statements in Game of Shadows.559 According to the article, a voice identified by an unnamed source to be Anderson’s is heard on the tape stating: “We know when they’re going to do it,” he would say. “See, the lab that does this stuff is the lab that does . . .” His voice trailed off for a moment. “I’ll know like a week in advance or two weeks in advance before they’re going to do it,” Anderson continued. “But it’s going to be either at the end of May or beginning of June, right before the All-Star break definitely. So . . . after the All-Star break, we’re like . . . clear.”560 Fainaru-Wada and Williams refused to talk with me, and I could not obtain a copy of the complete recording or otherwise confirm that Anderson made these statements.561 I also could not confirm that the statements were made “early in the 2003 season,” as the authors reported. However, records that we obtained from the contractor who administered his tests show that Bonds was tested on May 28 and June 4, 2003. Therefore, if the report of this conversation is accurate Anderson correctly predicted the dates of testing, at least for his client Barry Bonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:23 PM) mods, in the interest of reporting fact and to clear up any confusion regarding this....can we delete the posts that had the lists from deadspin and the other "sources" as they are not accurate and include players who have not been mentioned in the report People post rumors in here all the time. Why remove those in particular, especially since many news sites had the very same B.S. list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 11:24 AM) . Therefore, if the report of this conversation is accurate Anderson correctly predicted the dates of testing, at least for his client Barry Bonds. JESUS F***ING CHRIST...Bonds got a warning? Oh you have so got to be sh*tting me. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 When Cameron hit those HR off Parque it was JUICE against JUICE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) This was the list as best as I could put together. (Sorry if I missed anyone): Marvin Benard, Barry Bonds. Bobby Estalella, Jason Giambi. Jeremy Giambi, Benito Santiago, Gary Sheffield, Randy Velarde, Lenny Dykstra, David Segui, Larry Bigbie, Brian Roberts, Jack Cust, Tim Laker, Josias Manzanillo, Todd Hundley, Mark Carreon, Hal Morris, Matt Franco, Rondell White, Roger Clemens, Chuck Knoblauch, Jason Grimsley, Gregg Zaun, David Justice, F.P. Santangelo, Glenallen Hill, Mo Vaughn, Denny Neagle, Ron Villone, Ryan Franklin, Chris Donnels, Todd Williams, Phil Hiatt, Todd Pratt, Kevin Young, Mike Lansing, Cody McKay, Kent Mercker, Adam Piatt, Miguel Tejada, Jason Christiansen, Mike Stanton, Stephen Randolph, Jerry Hairston, Jr., Paul Lo Duca, Adam Riggs, Bart Miadich, Fernando Vina, Kevin Brown, Eric Gagné, Mike Bell, Matt Herges, Gary Bennett, Jr., Jim Parque, Brendan Donnelly, Chad Allen, Jeff Williams, Howie Clark, Nook Logan, Daniel Naulty, Jay Gibbons, Rick Ankiel, David Bell, Paul Byrd, Jose Canseco, Troy Glaus, Jason Grimsley, Jose Guillen, Darren Holmes, Gary Matthews, Jr., John Rocker, Scott Schoeneweis, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams, Steve Woodard, Edited December 13, 2007 by Athomeboy_2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:26 PM) When Cameron hit those HR off Parque it was JUICE against JUICE Mike Cameron is not named in the report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:26 PM) When Cameron hit those HR off Parque it was JUICE against JUICE Jimmy didn't buy steroids until he was on Tampa and in the minors for Arizona. Maybe those dongers made him want to get steroids though ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 11:27 AM) Mike Cameron is not named in the report. However, he has tested positive 2x for amphetamine abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 No Jurrasic? That would make me happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 naperville's jerry hairston jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:26 PM) When Cameron hit those HR off Parque it was JUICE against JUICE And Parque hadn't begun yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 11:28 AM) Jimmy didn't buy steroids until he was on Tampa and in the minors for Arizona. Maybe those dongers made him want to get steroids though ha. That doesn't appear to be what the report says. The report says he sent Radomski a bottle while he was on tampa for testing. That does not mean he wasn't using them before he sent that bottle to Radomski; in fact, it suggests he was on it at least some time beforehand, because he was able to recognize that he got a crappy shipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 11:28 AM) No Jurrasic? That would make me happy. Has anyone seen any member of our 2005 team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Even though Mitchell suggests no punishment, I think it would be a good idea to put some sort of patch on the sleeve of all the players named in the report, branding them as users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:30 PM) Has anyone seen any member of our 2005 team? Not a one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:30 PM) Not a one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(G&T @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:28 PM) And Parque hadn't begun yet. adam piatt, another local guy named too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 wow, how many Cy Youngs were won by Roids? Jesus. The scout correspondence about gagne is priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:29 PM) That doesn't appear to be what the report says. The report says he sent Radomski a bottle while he was on tampa for testing. That does not mean he wasn't using them before he sent that bottle to Radomski; in fact, it suggests he was on it at least some time beforehand, because he was able to recognize that he got a crappy shipment. yea, i caught that too. He'd been using for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Is their any complete list of the players out there yet? Or will it take a bit for someone to actually read through the report and give us a complete straight out listing of each player. That stuff on Clemens is pretty ridiculous. Of course I still think he's a first ballot hall of famer since I probably considered him a HOF prior to when he started taking roids (back with the Blue Jays). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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