Middle Buffalo Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 11:29 AM) Interesting that the SI article doesn't say anything about Prince Albert. Check to see if they refer to a "Joey Belle" in the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDsDirtySox Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Has ESPN fired Fernando Vina yet? If not his commentary on all of this should be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 ESPN feed seems to be hijacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I like on page 216 how the Dodgers had a meeting and suspected the Kevin Brown was roidin, then traded him 2 months later. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnwood Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 It wasn't just on ESPN. I'm watching on the MLB.tv thing, and I heard that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 11:33 AM) What the hell was that on ESPN? A trucker on CB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Isn't Fernando Vina the guy that Hawk would call "Marrrvelous" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(G&T @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:33 PM) ESPN feed seems to be hijacked. Damn Al Queda... Terrrrrrists win again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnwood Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(longshot7 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:34 PM) A trucker on CB? Sounded like Spanish language radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Linnwood @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:34 PM) It wasn't just on ESPN. I'm watching on the MLB.tv thing, and I heard that too. Yep I head it on AP video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:32 PM) Is their any complete list of the players out there yet? Or will it take a bit for someone to actually read through the report and give us a complete straight out listing of each player. This was the list as best as I could put together. (Sorry if I missed anyone): Marvin Benard, Barry Bonds. Bobby Estalella, Jason Giambi. Jeremy Giambi, Benito Santiago, Gary Sheffield, Randy Velarde, Lenny Dykstra, David Segui, Larry Bigbie, Brian Roberts, Jack Cust, Tim Laker, Josias Manzanillo, Todd Hundley, Mark Carreon, Hal Morris, Matt Franco, Rondell White, Roger Clemens, Chuck Knoblauch, Jason Grimsley, Gregg Zaun, David Justice, F.P. Santangelo, Glenallen Hill, Mo Vaughn, Denny Neagle, Ron Villone, Ryan Franklin, Chris Donnels, Todd Williams, Phil Hiatt, Todd Pratt, Kevin Young, Mike Lansing, Cody McKay, Kent Mercker, Adam Piatt, Miguel Tejada, Jason Christiansen, Mike Stanton, Stephen Randolph, Jerry Hairston, Jr., Paul Lo Duca, Adam Riggs, Bart Miadich, Fernando Vina, Kevin Brown, Eric Gagné, Mike Bell, Matt Herges, Gary Bennett, Jr., Jim Parque, Brendan Donnelly, Chad Allen, Jeff Williams, Howie Clark, Nook Logan, Daniel Naulty, Jay Gibbons, Rick Ankiel, David Bell, Paul Byrd, Jose Canseco, Troy Glaus, Jason Grimsley, Jose Guillen, Darren Holmes, Gary Matthews, Jr., John Rocker, Scott Schoeneweis, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams, Steve Woodard http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=...t&p=1548718 Edited December 13, 2007 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 one of the most interesting things mitchell said was that the potential of using/having used steroids was a tool used by scouts and team officials in assessing players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:34 PM) I like on page 216 how the Dodgers had a meeting and suspected the Kevin Brown was roidin, then traded him 2 months later. LOL Kevin Brown – getting to the age of nagging injuries . . . Question what kind of medication he takes . . . Effectiveness goes down covering 1st base or running bases. Common in soccer players and are more susceptible if you take meds to increase your muscles – doesn’t increase the attachments. Is he open to adjusting how he takes care of himself? He knows he now needs to do stuff before 217 coming to spring training to be ready. Steroids speculated by GM.422 Less than two months later, the Dodgers traded Brown to the Yankees.423 In order to provide Brown with information about these allegations and to give him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I'm gonna pretend that Wood and Prior are still on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Seriously. Gagne won a Cy, Clemens, how many MVPs and Cy's? Jesus This is just scratching the surface. I suspected alot of allegations in this report, but there is some VERY clear cut timeline evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mplssoxfan Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Sorry if I missed this, but I think that the most important thing to come out of this report (if MLB and MLBPA implement it) is an independent testing authority. If they have the right to randomly test at any time of the year and do it, it will be a great benefit, and the benefit may leak into other USA based sports, such as football. I sincerely hope that this gets done without Congress having to step in again. Whether Don Fehr will allow it, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Brian @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:36 PM) I'm gonna pretend that Wood and Prior are still on the list. They both did, we all know it. Oh sorry, we all suspect it. Sosa too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Please tell me that Sosa is named in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Information Provided by a Former Major League Player Matt Karchner pitched for two teams in Major League Baseball between 1995 and 2000, the Chicago Cubs and the Chicago White Sox. Members of my investigative staff contacted him as part of our effort to interview former major league players. Karchner said that during spring training in 1999, he observed two of his Chicago Cubs teammates inject themselves with steroids in an apartment that Karchner was sharing with them. Karchner declined to identify the players. He said that one of the players brought the steroids to the apartment but was afraid of needles and therefore asked the second player to administer the shot. The second player injected the first player with steroids in the buttocks and then injected himself. Later that season, Karchner was offered steroids by certain of his Cubs teammates. Karchner would not disclose the names of players who offered him steroids, but he said that the conversations he had with them involved the general cost of steroids and discussions of “stacking” to build lean muscle necessary for pitchers. Karchner did not report either of these incidents to anyone at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Mplssoxfan @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:36 PM) Sorry if I missed this, but I think that the most important thing to come out of this report (if MLB and MLBPA implement it) is an independent testing authority. If they have the right to randomly test at any time of the year and do it, it will be a great benefit, and the benefit may leak into other USA based sports, such as football. I sincerely hope that this gets done without Congress having to step in again. Whether Don Fehr will allow it, I don't know. I agree that would be good, but, still leaves the HGH hole. Need to come up with a plan on how to address that. Still requires a blood test, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 The details are interesting but the names really aren't imo. Everyone on there was either pretty obvious or not note worthy. Just saying to be the party pooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Linnwood @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:34 PM) It wasn't just on ESPN. I'm watching on the MLB.tv thing, and I heard that too. oh great. here comes a terrorist attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Brian @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:36 PM) I'm gonna pretend that Wood and Prior are still on the list. I think the previous fake reports were more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:38 PM) Information Provided by a Former Major League Player Matt Karchner pitched for two teams in Major League Baseball between 1995 and 2000, the Chicago Cubs and the Chicago White Sox. Members of my investigative staff contacted him as part of our effort to interview former major league players. Karchner said that during spring training in 1999, he observed two of his Chicago Cubs teammates inject themselves with steroids in an apartment that Karchner was sharing with them. Karchner declined to identify the players. He said that one of the players brought the steroids to the apartment but was afraid of needles and therefore asked the second player to administer the shot. The second player injected the first player with steroids in the buttocks and then injected himself. Later that season, Karchner was offered steroids by certain of his Cubs teammates. Karchner would not disclose the names of players who offered him steroids, but he said that the conversations he had with them involved the general cost of steroids and discussions of “stacking” to build lean muscle necessary for pitchers. Karchner did not report either of these incidents to anyone at the time. Cubs were a pharmacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 what is taking them so long to produce a list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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